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Morphius · February 23rd, 2007, 02:40 PM

Redirecting traffic by country.
I'm in the Czech Republic - being redirected to masturbace.cz.

Pornonada · February 23rd, 2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Morphius

Redirecting traffic by country.
I'm in the Czech Republic - being redirected to masturbace.cz.

can't open that masturbace.cz site, tried also masturbate.cz but the same.

Morphius · February 24th, 2007, 04:02 AM

That is because it does not redirect Bulgarian traffic to the czech language pages. I'm in the Czech Rep. and I'm being redirected.

Pornonada · February 24th, 2007, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Morphius

That is because it does not redirect Bulgarian traffic to the czech language pages. I'm in the Czech Rep. and I'm being redirected.

i understand that but shouldn't i be able to see that masturbate.cz site when i want to view it directly??

Morphius · February 24th, 2007, 05:25 AM

First of all it is masturbace.cz, not masturbate.cz - it is czech language.
Secondly - they might have ip filter or something.

http://www.spermian.com/temp/russianvirginz.avi - proof.

AmateurFlix · February 24th, 2007, 09:22 AM

I think the owner of that site posts here

nation-x · February 24th, 2007, 12:24 PM

I believe Tesil is the owner of that site... but in my opinion redirecting czech traffic doesn't make him a cheater... I know some people feel this way but that is a retarded view in my opinion. What I do with traffic that you send to my site is my business... flat out... if the trade doesn't work for you then kill it. Alot of people resell traffic... that doesn't make them cheaters... what difference does it make whether or not they click a thumb or not... what matters is if the trade is working for you or not... if it's working then fine... stfu and get back to work... if not then kill it... it's that simple.

Pornonada · February 24th, 2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I believe Tesil is the owner of that site... but in my opinion redirecting czech traffic doesn't make him a cheater... I know some people feel this way but that is a retarded view in my opinion. What I do with traffic that you send to my site is my business... flat out... if the trade doesn't work for you then kill it. Alot of people resell traffic... that doesn't make them cheaters... what difference does it make whether or not they click a thumb or not... what matters is if the trade is working for you or not... if it's working then fine... stfu and get back to work... if not then kill it... it's that simple.

than you don't have any right to moan about traffic leaks at sponsors as well, it's their work what they do with your traffic as long as you are happy with the results it shouldn't matter if here and there something get through without your code.

While i have some kind of understand for chines traffic redirecting i don't have any for redirecting EU traffic

Morphius · February 24th, 2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I believe Tesil is the owner of that site... but in my opinion redirecting czech traffic doesn't make him a cheater... I know some people feel this way but that is a retarded view in my opinion. What I do with traffic that you send to my site is my business... flat out... if the trade doesn't work for you then kill it. Alot of people resell traffic... that doesn't make them cheaters... what difference does it make whether or not they click a thumb or not... what matters is if the trade is working for you or not... if it's working then fine... stfu and get back to work... if not then kill it... it's that simple.

This was discussed a lot of times already, here as well.
As long as you do not have this redirection clearly stated in your rules - this is cheating.

AmateurFlix · February 24th, 2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornonada

than you don't have any right to moan about traffic leaks at sponsors as well, it's their work what they do with your traffic as long as you are happy with the results it shouldn't matter if here and there something get through without your code.

I agree with that. I've sent to plenty of sponsors with traffic leaks that outperform sponsors without such leaks.

Pornonada · February 24th, 2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

I agree with that. I've sent to plenty of sponsors with traffic leaks that outperform sponsors without such leaks.

If you are happy with sponsor programs that don't count part of your traffic, have traffic holes or any otherwise shave you, fine, so we won't see any posts and complains of you and nation-x about such sponsors than.

So now a bit more seriously, we are talking here about an EU country, not a china, not sanzibar and not north-west-afghanistan, it just can't be like that that everybody begins just to redirect countries he might be monetize somehow directly better and shave his trade partners.

How i said, somehow i have some understanding for china, korea and some similars which have indeed a very very little chance to convert currently, but the cases like the ones we had with australian traffic redirecting and now czech traffic is just a bit to far, this has no more anything to do with traffic cleaning but just cheating it's trade partners.

Come one, the valid argument for redirecting was traffic cleaning which isn't really valid for a middle european country.

AmateurFlix · February 24th, 2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornonada

So now a bit more seriously, we are talking here about an EU country, not a china, not sanzibar and not north-west-afghanistan, it just can't be like that that everybody begins just to redirect countries he might be monetize somehow directly better and shave his trade partners.

How i said, somehow i have some understanding for china, korea and some similars which have indeed a very very little chance to convert currently, but the cases like the ones we had with australian traffic redirecting and now czech traffic is just a bit to far, this has no more anything to do with traffic cleaning but just cheating it's trade partners.

Come one, the valid argument for redirecting was traffic cleaning which isn't really valid for a middle european country.

I'm glad you saw the bit of humor in my post

I don't understand the reason for redirecting Czech traffic either and I don't see how it would be a wise move on his part.

I've traded with this site before, for all I know I may still be from one of my domains, I certainly don't consider something like this 'shaving' anymore than I would if someone had a bunch of unscripted hardlinks that traffic sent from my site wouldn't get credited for clicking.

I do think it's a bad idea though, since it's only going to make other webmasters suspicious of where this potentially valuable traffic is being redirected to.

BTW clicking that .avi file above caused by FF to freeze up and crash, dunno if it had something to do with the file or more likely just my browser.

[Lupus] · April 23rd, 2007, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

I'm glad you saw the bit of humor in my post

I don't understand the reason for redirecting Czech traffic either and I don't see how it would be a wise move on his part.

Actualy I do. I'm from cz too and the main problem with cz traffic is, that czech ppl usualy dont have cc's to pay in foreign countries. Its mainly because our poor banking system, which is still far beyond most western countries (and we have commies and our louzy goverment to thank for that).

So main reason for redirecting cz traffic is, because on mastrubace.cz, cz ppl can buy memberships sending sms (which is one thing we excel at

), so he's turning wortless traffic into converting one.

I agree though, redirecting of this traffic not only should, but it realy MUST be stated in traffic trade rules, so webmasters signing up for trade would know what to expect.

I know this guy personaly and from my experience I can tell, he's not a cheater (at least not intentionaly). More like a bit of a noob when it commes to certain rules, because he's not much of a wm forums reader. But I know that oher that that, he's an honest guy and I'd give him a chance to clear this mess up a put things in order. I will send him link to this thread, so he can respond.

[TeSiL] · April 23rd, 2007, 03:34 AM

I'd like to thank Lupus, for bringing this to my attention. As he wrote, I dont visit wm forums much and didn't realize, that redir of cz traffic to cz sms page could be problem, for which I am sorry. I have added note to my webmaster page, regarding this redir, so this wouldn't happened again.
I hope, my name could be cleared and my page removed from cheatershell. It was an honest mistake and it won't occur on any of my pages again.

Pornonada · April 23rd, 2007, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by [Lupus]

Actualy I do. I'm from cz too and the main problem with cz traffic is, that czech ppl usualy dont have cc's to pay in foreign countries.

So you are in the EU but no creditcards? Look, i live in Bulgaria, which is far worse than the Czech Repuplic but Creditcards are that much in use already that it's hard to believe that the Czechs don't have any....

Also if that is the logic behind than i should make you a list with about 125+ countries that are worse with Creditcards, just redirect them to some dialer program ....

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Originally Posted by [Lupus]

So main reason for redirecting cz traffic is, because on mastrubace.cz, cz ppl can buy memberships sending sms (which is one thing we excel at

), so he's turning wortless traffic into converting one.

This should say, he is turning OTHER peoples traffic into converting one without Crediting them anything back!

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Originally Posted by [Lupus]

I know this guy personaly and from my experience I can tell, he's not a cheater (at least not intentionaly). More like a bit of a noob when it commes to certain rules, because he's not much of a wm forums reader. But I know that oher that that, he's an honest guy and I'd give him a chance to clear this mess up a put things in order. I will send him link to this thread, so he can respond.

Just to answer his next message as well, cheaterhell only removes sites if the thread in the cheaterforum is CLEARED, until that no chance for removal.
How i said earlier, i personally have NO understanding for redirecting EU traffic and me personally won't edit that post for sure. But there are other moderators left that have maybe another view on this one ....

It's anyway not such a bad entry. People checking his site will just see that it redirects traffic for certain countries and can make their own opinion if they want to trade with such site or not....

[Lupus] · April 23rd, 2007, 05:04 AM

Prononada. maybe I wasn't very clear on what I said - we do have cc's, but noone can use them to pay in foreign countries using internet, unless that person ask specificaly for such cc. I personaly know only handfull of cz ppl, who have such cards and thats only because we need those in order to work. Regular czech person however have only such cc, which you cannot use to pay through web pages (buy porn, etc.). And that's something I know for sure, because I live here, so I dare say, I know a bit more about this issue.

Also, I was not justifying what he have done, I was merely expressing my opinion on why this has happened. I agree, any webmaster trading with that site should've been informed about redirecting of that traffic, so they can choose, wheter they are willing to loose some percentage of sent traffic or not.

I know, there have been a lot of dissussion, when it commes to redirecting some forms of traffic and wheter should be trading webmasters informed about it or not. My opinion is, that they should, but I recall some decent webmaster (not sure who though) stood for opinion, that if it helps cleaning traffic pool, its ok. And I don't think his domains ended up marked as cheater once eighter. I wouldn't stick guy into same bag as regular cheaters only for one mistake - we all do those sometimes and learn from it.

[TeSiL] · April 23rd, 2007, 05:22 AM

Since I can see, opinions on redirecting differs, I think best course of action would be to remove it, which I have done already.

AmateurFlix · April 23rd, 2007, 08:00 AM

TeSiL - I didn't see which site you were redirecting to, however if you want to filter by country, why not just make a second page on the same domain using only SMS billable sponsors, and set the skim, trade settings, etc, the same as on your first page? This way people sending you traffic would still get credited for it, it would return traffic like normal, and you'd still be able to monetize it.

If you were to tell people what you're doing on your signup page I don't think anyone would object to that.

[TeSiL] · April 23rd, 2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

TeSiL - I didn't see which site you were redirecting to, however if you want to filter by country, why not just make a second page on the same domain using only SMS billable sponsors, and set the skim, trade settings, etc, the same as on your first page? This way people sending you traffic would still get credited for it, it would return traffic like normal, and you'd still be able to monetize it.

If you were to tell people what you're doing on your signup page I don't think anyone would object to that.

Yes it's good idea

But now is site clear without redir

Pornonada · April 23rd, 2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by [Lupus]

but I recall some decent webmaster (not sure who though) stood for opinion, that if it helps cleaning traffic pool, its ok. And I don't think his domains ended up marked as cheater once eighter.

The discussion was about chinese traffic than back, not european EU traffic ....

Just some stats from 2004 (couldn't find a new report about czech creditcard usage, NOT debitcards!!)

Credit cards emerged as the most dynamic financial cards sector between 1999-2004, growing 24-fold in the number of cards in circulation to reach 373,000 in 2004, according to Euromonitor International. Credit cards are still far behind debit cards, however, accounting for only 5% of all cards in circulation in 2004. The surge in demand for credit cards reflects Czech consumers' rising disposable incomes and the relaxation of lending and credit practices among the major banks and credit card operators.

There are about 900 cash machines for Cirrus, Maestro, Mastercard, Eurocard and over 400 for VISA in the Czech Republic. There are also some 600 other cash machines of Ceska Sporitelna, usually off-line and only for Czech cards.

And some more interesting stats. By income per capita the Czech Republic is rated #46, means better positions than Hungary, Croatia, Poland, South Afrika, Turkey, Brazil, Bulgaria #81, Russia #82, and so on out of 172 Countries, so you see the Czechs aren't that poor at at all and there are Creditcards as well as i doubt Visa has the ATM's there for the 43 tourists that came through there last year (j/k)/.

[Lupus] · April 23rd, 2007, 02:34 PM

Yet again you are not reading exactly what I am saying. We DO have CC's, but default CC's we get in bank CANNOT be used to pay via internet connection. If we want to be able to pay via web pages, we have to demand different cards (like e-card I'm using) and that simply is something most cz ppl don't need and therefore dont ask for it.

It's possible you think ANY VISA cards can be used to pay via web. And you're wrong. I have two VISA cards from two of three of our largest banks, yet I still had to ask to have e-card in order to pay my foreign bills. You can dissagree all you want, but I live here, so I actualy know what I'm talking about.

February 23rd, 2007, 02:40 PM	#1
Morphius Fuck sport, beer rules Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Prague, CZ Posts: 322	russianvirginz.info Redirecting traffic by country. I'm in the Czech Republic - being redirected to masturbace.cz. __________________ C lick my sig Traffic trades

February 24th, 2007, 04:02 AM	#3
Morphius Fuck sport, beer rules Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Prague, CZ Posts: 322	That is because it does not redirect Bulgarian traffic to the czech language pages. I'm in the Czech Rep. and I'm being redirected. __________________ C lick my sig Traffic trades

February 24th, 2007, 05:25 AM	#5
Morphius Fuck sport, beer rules Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Prague, CZ Posts: 322	First of all it is masturbace.cz, not masturbate.cz - it is czech language. Secondly - they might have ip filter or something. http://www.spermian.com/temp/russianvirginz.avi - proof. __________________ C lick my sig Traffic trades

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nation-x AdultReviews.net SEO Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 5,897	I believe Tesil is the owner of that site... but in my opinion redirecting czech traffic doesn't make him a cheater... I know some people feel this way but that is a retarded view in my opinion. What I do with traffic that you send to my site is my business... flat out... if the trade doesn't work for you then kill it. Alot of people resell traffic... that doesn't make them cheaters... what difference does it make whether or not they click a thumb or not... what matters is if the trade is working for you or not... if it's working then fine... stfu and get back to work... if not then kill it... it's that simple. __________________ iBlogAdult.com >> Free Blog Host ICQ: 212090289 credit repair credit cards *Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither* -- Benjamin Franklin

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[TeSiL] Pornomental Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: CZ (Czech) Posts: 79	I'd like to thank Lupus, for bringing this to my attention. As he wrote, I dont visit wm forums much and didn't realize, that redir of cz traffic to cz sms page could be problem, for which I am sorry. I have added note to my webmaster page, regarding this redir, so this wouldn't happened again. I hope, my name could be cleared and my page removed from cheatershell. It was an honest mistake and it won't occur on any of my pages again. __________________ New Paysite with Webmaster Referral Program

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[Lupus] successfuly unsuccessful Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CZ Posts: 191	Prononada. maybe I wasn't very clear on what I said - we do have cc's, but noone can use them to pay in foreign countries using internet, unless that person ask specificaly for such cc. I personaly know only handfull of cz ppl, who have such cards and thats only because we need those in order to work. Regular czech person however have only such cc, which you cannot use to pay through web pages (buy porn, etc.). And that's something I know for sure, because I live here, so I dare say, I know a bit more about this issue. Also, I was not justifying what he have done, I was merely expressing my opinion on why this has happened. I agree, any webmaster trading with that site should've been informed about redirecting of that traffic, so they can choose, wheter they are willing to loose some percentage of sent traffic or not. I know, there have been a lot of dissussion, when it commes to redirecting some forms of traffic and wheter should be trading webmasters informed about it or not. My opinion is, that they should, but I recall some decent webmaster (not sure who though) stood for opinion, that if it helps cleaning traffic pool, its ok. And I don't think his domains ended up marked as cheater once eighter. I wouldn't stick guy into same bag as regular cheaters only for one mistake - we all do those sometimes and learn from it. __________________ New site, fresh unique content, czech teens to promote. So hurry up and sign up, to make this sites content oversaturated

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AmateurFlix Palin 2012 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,987	TeSiL - I didn't see which site you were redirecting to, however if you want to filter by country, why not just make a second page on the same domain using only SMS billable sponsors, and set the skim, trade settings, etc, the same as on your first page? This way people sending you traffic would still get credited for it, it would return traffic like normal, and you'd still be able to monetize it. If you were to tell people what you're doing on your signup page I don't think anyone would object to that. __________________ Amateur Tied - fresh genuine amateur bondage site “The government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidise it.”

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[Lupus] successfuly unsuccessful Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CZ Posts: 191	Yet again you are not reading exactly what I am saying. We DO have CC's, but default CC's we get in bank CANNOT be used to pay via internet connection. If we want to be able to pay via web pages, we have to demand different cards (like e-card I'm using) and that simply is something most cz ppl don't need and therefore dont ask for it. It's possible you think ANY VISA cards can be used to pay via web. And you're wrong. I have two VISA cards from two of three of our largest banks, yet I still had to ask to have e-card in order to pay my foreign bills. You can dissagree all you want, but I live here, so I actualy know what I'm talking about. __________________ New site, fresh unique content, czech teens to promote. So hurry up and sign up, to make this sites content oversaturated