How Cain Fared as Godfather CEO

[arock]

Well, when you run a campaign insisting that all is doom and gloom and that you're the savior, and people are stupid enough to buy into it, that kind of aggravates an already bad consumer sentiment. When your campaign consists of a million wacky promises of government intervention into every aspect of business, that creates a sense of uncertainty which rationally leads to holding no confidence in investing in such an unpredictable environment. When you have no idea what the tax situation is going to be, you hold on to what money you have instead of investing it in new businesses. When you upend a large portion of the economy via health insurance reforms and realize it will only be settled years in advance in the judiciary, that destroys confidence. When you spend and spend and spend some more which will inevitably lead to higher taxes during your term or the next guy's term, that destroys investor confidence. When you see your competition getting favorable treatment based upon their political donations to a degree never before witnessed, that destroys investor confidence. Then there's the GM & Chrysler bailouts, etc, etc. It just goes on .

Nice talking points. Did you copy that straight from fox news?

No one would run on the "I don't have the answers but elect me anyway" platform. The recession would have been way worse without the steps Obama took. Just look at Europe right now. Not enough stimulus or austerity too soon. Businesses are still making loads of money. Cutting taxes isn't going to change this, they will just pay less into the system

Conservatives just screwed up the health care law, it didn't go far enough so it's just handicapped right now

And again without the stimulus spending things would've been much worse. I am disappointed that nothing has been done to change financial things but that goes back more to the clusterfuck in congress.

Sure the gov couldve let the car companies die but that'd be another 2mn jobs gone.

The president can only do so much, congress is responsible for a lot of it too

[arock]

There's a real lack of centrists or true conservatives. Not just among the candidates but sadly the people as well. Everyone seems to be so radical. Perhaps Romney is a little bit less so when compared to most of his competition.

Yes. The left here is basically right center while the right is just off in crazy town. Republicans keep looking for someone other then Romney cause he is just slightly more to the right then Obama especially considering his past policies

[AmateurFlix]

Nice talking points. Did you copy that straight from fox news?

Well I don't really watch Fox news so that'd be difficult now wouldn't it?

The reason you hear about stuff like this over and over again is because to many people it is simply common sense however acceptance of any of it is akin to heresy against liberal idealogy. So rather than debate it, which might indicate that they are at least open minded, people instead attempt - and fail - to dismiss it as political rhetoric like you just did. However many perjoratives you come up with won't change fact. It'll still be sitting there right in your face, no matter how much you'd like to deny it.

No one would run on the "I don't have the answers but elect me anyway" platform.

1. You're talking about concerns regarding election campaigns, not governing.
2. Getting out of the way and letting the private sector fix itself is hardly not having an answer. Tempered with regulation that treats all parties equally and fairly, and does not permit government to pick favorites, it is the answer.

The recession would have been way worse without the steps Obama took.

You have absolutely no way to prove that at all. You're making an irrational leap of faith. Why are you willing to do that?

Cutting taxes isn't going to change this

Raising them sure as hell isn't going to inspire confidence, nor is being subject to a government with a political situation more akin to a third world shithole like Kenya than what we, they, and their investors are familiar with.

Here's a good example. Someone who lives near me is part of a family of local businessmen stretching back nearly a century. Their family has invested heavily in the area for generations, they've always got something going for as long as anyone can remember, creating new jobs and bringing in new business. Then Obama came along and bailed out two failing auto manufacturers, flagrantly violating state laws in the process and confiscating my neighbor's auto dealership. Now having had the federal government violate the law and take away what was rightfully his, do you think he's going to be more likely to reinvest in the local economy as his family has done for generations, or instead protect his assets?

Now what do you suppose happens when other local investors hear about this? All around the nation, you have people with money to invest who are frightened of Obama. Your opinion as to whether they should be frightened or not is irrelevant, the simple fact is that they are scared and will react accordingly.

BTW, it was eventually pointed out that the owners who got to keep their dealerships after the reorganization, were lopsidedly owned by Democratic donors, while a majority who lost theirs were Republicans, or as Obama has referred to them, "the enemy".

You can stand there and make excuses for this bull shit all you want and pretend that it's not happening here, but it is happening here. We've descended into something more akin to the corruption inherent in communist societies than the America that I grew up in.

Conservatives just screwed up the health care law, it didn't go far enough so it's just handicapped right now

Of course they did. Democrats controlled the House, the Senate, the White House, wrote and signed the bill, but it's Bush's fault. I mean the conservative's fault. Do you have any idea how senseless that suggestion is?

I am disappointed that nothing has been done to change financial things but that goes back more to the clusterfuck in congress.

Yeah, congress is corrupt. Any other news?

Sure the gov couldve let the car companies die but that'd be another 2mn jobs gone.

The jobs likely wouldn't have "gone", they'd probably have transferred to whatever other companies picked up the slack. Unless you think that people who used to buy GM and Chrysler products would have gone back to horse & buggies, other manufacturers would have had to increase their production to keep up with increased demand.

All this did was burden the taxpayers with the risk of owning failures, and suck more money out of them. And deny start-up manufacturers the opportunity of a lifetime to get their foot in the door. Ooh bad little capitalists, we can't have sound businesses taking a chance at the auto market, we've gotta keep the fuck ups going at any expense. Even if they fail twice like Chrysler.

The president can only do so much, congress is responsible for a lot of it too

Congress is responsible for the majority of it. They're the legislature, they write the laws. Don't mistake my criticism of Obama with approval of Congress or of Republicans.

[AmateurFlix]

Yes. The left here is basically right center while the right is just off in crazy town.

The left here is the left and the right here is the right. This is not Europe. We fought a war to make sure that it wasn't.

Convincing yourself that black is white and white is purple isn't going to help anything.

Centrists don't get media coverage because they are not sensationalistic enough to make for stupid news broadcasts. Centrists comprise the majority of people as well as politicians, politicians however tend to be cowardly and buckle to the party line, and the parties - both of them - only promote fringe idiots for presidents because boring centrists don't get media attention.

There are some boring centrists in the Republican party running for president. I saw one of them today claim that he was going to stand with the OWS crowd. Will that guy ever get the backing of the Republican party? I'd say it's as likely as a Democrat candidate claiming he wants the federal government to honor the original intent of the Constitution, getting the nod from the Democratic party.

[Magnetron]

The transfer of workforce from Chrysler and GM to new or pre-existing manufactures would not have happened overnight. There would have been downtime in between, thus a temporary surge in the unemployment line. Let's not overlook all the auto related industries such as parts manufactures and dealerships that would have trimmed their workforce in response. Bailout in this regard meant helping millions of workers continue to work uninterrupted while their families continued onward with their own financial struggles, sparing the entire nation a ripple effect throughout all economic sectors.

It was a solution to one of many and diverse problems inherited from the previous administration that ignored pretty much everything but terrorism and Iraq.

Please used the root word imbecile where it truly applies.

[Magnetron]

When you spend and spend and spend some more which will inevitably lead to higher taxes during your term or the next guy's term, that destroys investor confidence.

Yeah, that pretty much sums up 8 years of the Bush administration.

[Magnetron]

I suppose if we had had a true Christian president, we could have utilized a " turn the other cheek " strategy in response to WTC attack with the philosophy that global forces would have ultimately dismantled Al Qeada while we went on living day to day as usual.

And not spent a Trillion dollars in the process, which could have been used towards rejuvenating the economy and thus preventing the recession altogether.

[AmateurFlix]

I'm not a fan of Bush. During his administration I thought for certain I'd end up voting for any Democrat that came along just to push the tide in the other direction, until they managed to come up with someone more objectionable than Bush. Yeah Bush overspent. And then Obama spent even more recklessly. Yeah Bush was overzealous in getting into seemingly unnecessary conflicts. And now we've ramped up Afghanistan to an unneeded level, having already accomplished what was needed during Bush's tenure years ago. And started a war in Libya. And sent troops to fight somewhere else in Africa.

For some special interests, there's a lot more money in fighting wars than in ending them. They don't care what political party they pledge allegiance to.

[allniche]

There are some boring centrists in the Republican party running for president. I saw one of them today claim that he was going to stand with the OWS crowd. Will that guy ever get the backing of the Republican party? I'd say it's as likely as a Democrat candidate claiming he wants the federal government to honor the original intent of the Constitution, getting the nod from the Democratic party.

Who was that who was willing to stand with OWS?

It seems like the IQ of all participants drops 20 - 100 points as soon as an issue becomes politicized along party lines. That's the main appeal of centrists for me. I get the sense that at least they are more often thinking for themselves as opposed to letting some political party do the thinking for them.

[AmateurFlix]

Buddy Roemer (scroll down the page)

[Magnetron]

We can always go back further in time and fault the Democratic Party for offering up a lousy selection of candidates to challenge Bush. It wouldn't have taken much to beat him. Yet the result was Kerry and Edwards.

Obama won by such a landslide because McCain and Palin were an even more idiotic and ineffective combination than Kerry and Edwards.

Newt is actually starting to look good as more people are recognizing how toxic the other candidates are, which is a sad commentary in itself.

[toker]

I wonder why Rep's don't push for Rush Limbaugh to run since he seems to be the tried and true cult leader.