Originally Posted by AFF

Originally Posted by AFF

Message 1
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Dear Affiliate,

A recent analysis of your traffic indicates your performance has fallen below the requirements of the Pay Per Click (or Per Member) program. In accordance with Section 5 of the Affiliate Network Agreement, you have been converted to the percentage program. In order to ensure a win-win situation for both ourselves and our affiliates, we reserve the right to convert affiliates whose traffic falls below certain minimum performance requirements. Please let us know if you have any questions.

Best Regards

Affiliate Marketing Department
FriendFinder Inc.
Affiliates@alt.com

Originally Posted by MAGIC

Originally Posted by Magic

Message 2
my reply
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Hi, i feel very uncomfortable with that move you have made.
I was doing just fine. you were getting traffic we have gained more ranking in Alexa and such..so how can you have you not have been getting more traffic from us??

You could have asked me if i was ok with that before making changes!! I picked pay per click for my own reason, if i wanted to go for your percentage program instead, i would have chose that option.

i had a 100 + members for your ATL account and $160+ in that account where has that gone to? it has turned into $21 or something strange like that?
i was near the $300-350 bracket and about to pass it and thinking you guys were good for business as i was going ...now I'm back to some $190.
whats the funny stuff about? i was checking my aff account nearly every day...
please re-fix my account.
i was getting less traffic when i started the site...there's no way I'm "under performing" now. even if i am. I'm OK with what i chose. thank you.
please re-fix my account.

Or just tell me straight, you don't like the idea of paying me too much so you want to try tricks and act like your doing me a favor.
both my AFF and ATL accounts had over $150+ that makes a minimum of $300 ..how comes my total now reaches only about $200?
Don't do that kind of thing!

Originally Posted by AFF

Originally Posted by AFF

Message 3
Reply from AFF
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Thank you for your email. Per our terms of service, we have the right to convert an account at any time if the account is not meeting the program requirements. With the per click and per member programs, you must have 1 free sign up in every 20 uniques, and 1 paid membership in every 25 free members. Many affiliates who are converted will do better on the percentage program because there is no ratio, the more traffic you send, the higher the percentage you earn per member. Once an account is converted, it cannot be reversed. If you would like to try the per click program again, then you may do so, but it has to be with new traffic. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us anytime.

Thank you,
Alice T.
Affiliates Support

Originally Posted by AFF

Originally Posted by AFF
"you must have 1 free sign up in every 20 uniques, and 1 paid membership in every 25 free members. "
so is it a pay per click or do i get paid only when people sign up?..OK, if i get paid when people sign up...your saying i can only actually get paid if s sign up decides to pay on your site?
So you claim its a pay per click system but a person only really gets paid if a sign up decides to pay on your AFF site. That's not Pay Per Click, That's even pay per-sign up..

Originally Posted by magic

Originally Posted by Magic

Message 4
My reply
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ok, so what happened to my money as i noticed you stayed off that subject?
i had $150+ each for both my ATL and AFF accounts.

Originally Posted by AFF

Originally Posted by AFF

Message 5
AFF Reply
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Dear Affiliate,

Thank you for your email. When an account is converted, the traffic under that account is recalculated under the new payout, which would be the percentage program. Any balances in the account is adjusted to what is earned under the new payout. This information is listed also in our FAQS. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact us anytime.
Thank you,

Alice T.
Affiliates Support

Originally Posted by magic

oK..FIRST OFF..I'M NOT LOOKING FOR NO PITTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IM JUST LETTING YOU PEOPLE KNOW AS IM SURE IM NOT THE LAST PERSON ON EARTH TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE...AND I WANT TO STOP SOMEONE FALLING INTO THEIR TRAP
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Wow, where do i begin? Ok
i'll give you as much detail as possible so you get a good picture.
I signed up with adult friend finder as a affiliate to send them traffic and members. At this stage we was still building on our traffic which we were ranked at 179,000 in Alexa...
now we rank at 151,000 in Alexa..

When we first signed up to the AFF network of sites, things were slow but good as we fine tuned things on our site. I logged into my AFF account everyday in the morning to see how it was performing.
As i said it started slow then it began to get better and better..in the space of 1 and half or 2 months i had mad $350+ in our account.
i had sent them about 140+ people that had signed up through their pay per click into my ATL.COM, which belongs to them, and 160+ in my Adultfriendfinder.com account.

They give you a minimum check amount you can select to have your money sent to you when you sign up, i think it was $100. I increased this to $400 as i had reached the $100 minimum payout too quickly and did not want to just get a $100 and pay fees on transfer for just $100 from my bank.

I logged in my account one day and to my surprise my money had changed from $350-400 into just $190 for my AFF account and $20 for my ATL.com account...What the FUCK happened?

I thought it must be a systems glitch as i saw a note that they were having a systems maintenance due.
I searched through my email account and found a message from them which began our conversation..









At this stage im thinking, Wow what sneaky, cheating, thieves.. that portray themselves to be a honest company. claiming to be giving away financial bonuses away on their website when they can't even pay what they claim !! :confused:



ok, so are they implying that i should also convert customers for them, i should some how after sending them cutomers, get those customers to pay? thats not my job..thats your job AFF you have to give them something which makes them want to be a part of your service!
if you have a house for sale. and i have a house selling magazine. Is it my job to sell your house when customers come to you?..NO Its YOUR job to convert the Customer/Sale..offer them something they can not deny, give them something they can not find somewhere else for free. Offer them something they need! you convert that person that is not sure about you!
It's not like I'm a Car magazine and your selling a house in my magazine!!
Me and AFF are in the same market "Adult Dating, Sex and fun"
Im sending them targeted traffic....out of the 4,000 plus people/uniques I'm sure some will remember them now and even go back and maybe pay be silly enough to pay...either way I'm sure i will not see a cent/penny of that money! I know that much..



so they took my money too, that's only something :mr: from the Simpsons would do..lol
it would not be that bad if they left you with what you had made before they change you to their percentage program...i had over $350+ in my AFF account. When they decided to change my account into a percentage account (which means I only get paid a percentage-% out of sales they make instead of the PAY PER CLICK I chose) they also stole $100+ back from no where.
They explained why the changed my account into a % account, but they stayed clear off the fact that they had also taken money out of my account.:box:
Maybe they was hoping i did not keep such a close eye on my account. ..i say stole as it was mine, it was in my account and i gave no one permission to take or deduct it.
It's not like I cheated or anything like that....i had provided a service and sent them pure unique clicks, 4,000+ in less than two months.
and they punish me because no one wants to PAY for what they can get free on most sites!! Well adult friend finder, let me say one thing..those tactics will have this reaction that is happening now..and in the long run, it will cost you more than what you did to me and other companies that took you at face value. Guess you got one over me..but what about the Internet community that will find out about you. At first i was going to just keep quiet and thought it was just me until i done a Google on them and found this was the extra card they was hiding under the table to cheat people..so im shouting it out on this mountain and many more.



I did a Google search to find this forum and see what was going on
I did send back anything after this.
you could send them a million uniques and if those members cam back to sign up with them...i know as a fact you would not see a cent/penny from them.
they are crooks in my eyes and dodgy people

Originally Posted by procam

Again as I have stated previously this company has NEVER cheated me and I have used them for many years -
It is VERY clearly stated in their TOS that they have the right to convert an account at any time if the account is not meeting the program requirements.
This is not hidden its in VERY plain view doubtful you could have missed it ~ I will not deny many webmasters have raised absolute hell about this program and how they have been cheated I fortunately am not one of them I have always been paid what I am owed and always make a nice check every time

Originally Posted by magic

WHATEVER!! ... you most-probably work for them!
They are thieves....even if they wanted to convert someone over to another program, that's fine..no arguments there. BUT!...why then go into a persons account and take money out of that persons account which that person had earned up until the point of change over? ....if anyone goes into a account of mine where i had worked for my money and taken money out without my permission...that's theft! ...i would not be surprised if they add something smart to their TOS that says they can steal as long as you dont "Convert" their site for them....punks...

on another note....if you lay in bed with them...after hearing and seeing what people have said about them....please let us know your story when they stick the dagger in your back

Originally Posted by procam

And after thinking about it right is right and wrong is wrong ~ the moderators of this board are violating their own rules here by allowing this thread to exist even.

Its in poor taste to bash a company for following their own TOS that has been established for years weather you agree with it or not it is the rules .

The other thread listed above is a completely different issue involving zango with this company and has nothing to do with this incident this thread is merely about bashing a company for being in line with their TOS its wrong.

Originally Posted by procam

This has been in plain black and fucking white for YEARS dude~ OPEN YOUR EYES
"retroactively" mean anything to you ?? That text has NOT been changed in years I see it every time I login their system.


Note: We routinely review every profile and have a program to determine whether a profile is legitimate or not. We will not pay anyone who is caught cheating and we'll bar them from the entire network.

In addition, we reserve the right to retroactively convert you to Percentage Program I if the quality of your traffic is extremely poor.

For our programs, we issue checks once on the first day of each month with a $50 minimum (this means that if you were to earn $30 one month, the $30 is added to the next month payment until $50 is reached). Affiliates can expect to receive their checks around the 15th of the month.

You earn $0.30 for every standard member. Members from outside the United States subject to bonus of $0.10 for standard members.

Originally Posted by procam

Note: We routinely review every profile and have a program to determine whether a profile is legitimate or not. We will not pay anyone who is caught cheating and we'll bar them from the entire network.

Originally Posted by procam

In addition, we reserve the right to retroactively convert you to Percentage Program I if the quality of your traffic is extremely poor.

Originally Posted by procam

For our programs, we issue checks once on the first day of each month with a $50 minimum (this means that if you were to earn $30 one month, the $30 is added to the next month payment until $50 is reached). Affiliates can expect to receive their checks around the 15th of the month.

Originally Posted by procam

You earn $0.30 for every standard member. Members from outside the United States subject to bonus of $0.10 for standard members.

Originally Posted by procam

Im not angry at all but you keep MISSING the point and I put it out there in bold text for you

In addition, we reserve the right to retroactively convert you to Percentage Program I if the quality of your traffic is extremely poor.

Thats what the word "retroactive" means!

Here maybe this will help you understand

retroactive

adjective
1. descriptive of any event or stimulus or process that has an effect on the effects of events or stimuli or process that occurred previously [ant: proactive]
2. affecting things past; "retroactive tax increase"; "an ex-post-facto law"; "retro pay" [syn: ex post facto]

Originally Posted by procam

I was nervous as hell about this the first year or so promoting them so I do it very carefully on select sites only cause I was afraid with the instability of tgp/mgp traffic that the same would happen to me fortunately it has not ==

Honestly tho give the percentage program a fair try for 8-10 months its rather like aebn once you get it built up the checks will flow the same a guy that does some work for me promotes it on the % program and hell a lot of months he makes more than I do

Originally Posted by magic

im not running a tgp/mgp site...im in the same market as them..adult dating..
so my traffic is quite targeted ...
but i will avoid them as long as they have that "retroactive" text hanging about
im glad its working for you, though