Thread: You are forced to sell your traff to Tubes through Traffic Holder

I have been selling/buying to/from Ravo and FPCtraffic for how much? 5 years already, day after day without stop?

I can't say the same thing about any other broker or probably even any other adult sponsor. I guess it means a lot about his program and the way he runs it.

No limit on the No. of sites you can block as a publisher at Ero-Advertising: Home

DaveM,

I'm sorry that I didn't post earlier, I just found this post by accident.

Please excuse our support that they told you its not possible to increase a limit
for a Personal traffic selling blacklist. I will investigate that, its something that
you should not expect. I have increased limit to 200 and if you need more, please just inform
our support and they will do that as high as you need.

Shane, Regarding 9% refund fee. I should explain situation to make it clear for you.
If you do ePurchase deposit, ePassporte charge us 9% fee to load your funds to our business
account. When you request a refund, we just apply this fee for you, because our competitors
abused us by doing multiply loads and then ask for a refund in the past. We lose money when
we do that for free, because as I said you ePassporte charged us 9% to load your funds.

Normally, yes, you should contact ePassporte to get ePurchase refund without fee. Thats why
we have asked fee for this. Please understand that, its not a problem for us to refund money for
free for you, but as we were abused few times with that, our Supervisor has added this rule.

Thank you for understanding.

Ilona Guitz
TH Administrator

Originally Posted by Ilona

DaveM,
Shane, Regarding 9% refund fee. I should explain situation to make it clear for you.
If you do ePurchase deposit, ePassporte charge us 9% fee to load your funds to our business
account. When you request a refund, we just apply this fee for you, because our competitors
abused us by doing multiply loads and then ask for a refund in the past. We lose money when
we do that for free, because as I said you ePassporte charged us 9% to load your funds.

Normally, yes, you should contact ePassporte to get ePurchase refund without fee. Thats why
we have asked fee for this. Please understand that, its not a problem for us to refund money for
free for you, but as we were abused few times with that, our Supervisor has added this rule.

Well what pisses me off i deposited money 3 times never one time got hit for a fee. You had a good bit of pornstar sites so i figured i would buy more traffic from you. Noticed the return was slow and you had that "pro" button or whatever to be able to get traffic faster. So did that by putting your shitty banner at the bottom of my site which is bullshit but thiers no other way. I bite my tongue and went on. Then i make a deposite the same way i always did get hit for 6.5%. Then that really pissed me off and i asked for a refund. At that point you charged me 9% fucking more so yeah i was a bit on the pissed off side. I have a hard time believing that it cost you 15.5% and you know that I am not a "competitor" trying to milk you. I had a pretty lengthy ticket and i assure you no one offered any "free" refund.

Its sad becuase i buy 2k or so in traffic every month. Thats not alot but for fucks sakes why not take care of the origional issue refund me my 6.5% deposite fee and we would have been straight from thier on out. You told me in the supprot ticket you do not charge "new users" the 6.5% but do after i become verified. Again that seems ass backwards.

And also i am not sure what type of filers you guys run but i see a ton of botters selling traffic to honest webmasters. I think you may want to look over some of the sites that sell you traffic.......but i am sure with your awesome customer service it does not matter as long as you make your % it seems you don't mind fucking people.

Good luck with those practices in 2010 as the adult game gets tighter and tighter.

Shane,

Thank you for a reply. When buyer has been verified, buyer gets a list of our epassporte
accounts to load money by doing p2p transfer. As alternate option, buyer still can load money
thru ePurchase interface, but he will be charged 6.5% for that (because as I said you, ePurchase
charges us 9% fee), so to load money without fee, you just need to do p2p transfer to one of
the ePassporte accounts listed at your admin area.

I didn't know that you have already charged 6.5% for load, in this case, you just need to add
additional 2.5% for a refund, not 9%. Normally verified buyers load money by doing p2p transfer
to one of our ePassporte accounts. In this case refund will be also issued for free.

In order to get more traffic, do not use PRO feature, but use STATS where you can see your
order position and improve it.

I have found your account at our system and returned you full refund charge. Again, support
was wrong with you, I just read ticket history. If you paid 6.5% already, you should not pay
9% for a refund. I will investigate & fix that. Thank you for understanding.

JakobKell, unfortunately to setup unlimited limits we are limited at the technical side. We can setup
higher limits by request. Thank you for understanding.

Originally Posted by Ilona

Shane,

Thank you for a reply. When buyer has been verified, buyer gets a list of our epassporte
accounts to load money by doing p2p transfer. As alternate option, buyer still can load money
thru ePurchase interface, but he will be charged 6.5% for that (because as I said you, ePurchase
charges us 9% fee), so to load money without fee, you just need to do p2p transfer to one of
the ePassporte accounts listed at your admin area.

I didn't know that you have already charged 6.5% for load, in this case, you just need to add
additional 2.5% for a refund, not 9%. Normally verified buyers load money by doing p2p transfer
to one of our ePassporte accounts. In this case refund will be also issued for free.

In order to get more traffic, do not use PRO feature, but use STATS where you can see your
order position and improve it.

I have found your account at our system and returned you full refund charge. Again, support
was wrong with you, I just read ticket history. If you paid 6.5% already, you should not pay
9% for a refund. I will investigate & fix that. Thank you for understanding.

JakobKell, unfortunately to setup unlimited limits we are limited at the technical side. We can setup
higher limits by request. Thank you for understanding.

Well i appreciate the refund but it really does me no good becuase you can't withdraw less then 50 bucks so i guess that one just sites. Also you need to address the issue of the know hitbotters that are selling you traffic. Good for you bad for the buyer......

Originally Posted by Ilona

Shane, its not good for traffic broker to sell "hit bot" traffic. It will result in drop
of buying ratio and total collapse of traffic brokering system. Some brokers are
collapsed due to weak anti-cheating modules and monitoring control.

I do not see anything wrong at our traffic monitoring system. May you provide me few
samples of hitbot traffic selling domains so we will investigate it deeper?

See, this is why i get my traffic elsewhere...ignorance is not bliss nor an excuse.

I'm sure y'all have gotten many an email about KNOWN hitbotters.

Originally Posted by Ilona

Shane, its not good for traffic broker to sell "hit bot" traffic. It will result in drop
of buying ratio and total collapse of traffic brokering system. Some brokers are
collapsed due to weak anti-cheating modules and monitoring control.

I do not see anything wrong at our traffic monitoring system. May you provide me few
samples of hitbot traffic selling domains so we will investigate it deeper?

Unfortuenly i cannot police your sellers for you but i assure you that you have a good bit of know botters and i am sure others on this board who have been around abit like me will agree with me. Not sure how your filter works but it needs some fine tuning

Originally Posted by Dred

See, this is why i get my traffic elsewhere...ignorance is not bliss nor an excuse.

I'm sure y'all have gotten many an email about KNOWN hitbotters.

100% true. That was another determining factor with me not doing business with TH once they poped me for the extra fees. I looked around a bit more and saw all the known botters with sell orders by thier name thinking wow someone is getting fucked sideways. Paying 3 bucks for 1k hitbots lol.

Shane, unfortunately I'm unable to investigate it without details. Sometimes we hear about websites which use cheating
practices to generate traffic, but the traffic we receive from them is quite normal. If they cheat someone to generate traffic,
we can only block them for a "bad business practices", but we should receive more details. If you bought traffic from
TrafficHolder and we sent you "hitbot" traffic, you may ask us for a full refund + compensation. However, nobody
complained about that.

Originally Posted by Ilona

Shane, unfortunately I'm unable to investigate it without details. Sometimes we hear about websites which use cheating
practices to generate traffic, but the traffic we receive from them is quite normal. If they cheat someone to generate traffic,
we can only block them for a "bad business practices", but we should receive more details. If you bought traffic from
TrafficHolder and we sent you "hitbot" traffic, you may ask us for a full refund + compensation. However, nobody
complained about that.

Well with that reply I guess you know what i am talking about. You know that some of your clients hitbot the fuck out of other sites, steal their traffic, then send you back the clean traffic. Kinda like money laundering lol. Looks to be a good set up. But if you know some of the people are selling you traffic in this manner how long before they fuck you as well? Its so easy to do.

Let me break it down for you in a simple way to understand (but i am sure you already know how they are doing it). They are cheating my sites and they are cheating your system plain and simple. They are using maleware not a standard hitbot. It is indeed real surfers computers clicking links just no one is in the drivers seat....do i need to explain futher?

Originally Posted by Ilona

Shane, I think you speaking about "real browsers" hitbots. Normally, its a thousands of
trojan infected computers, so traffic patterns generated by these hitbot networks usually
looks like normal traffic patterns, but detection of such networks is still possible.

Our system, during traffic tests, randomly choose thumbs to show, some of them
should produce less clicks, some of them much more. During test stage we test if
click patterns are correspond with a predicted difference. Browser hitbots show
equal number of clicks to both type of thumbs, because they "do not know" if this
specific thumb is popular or not. Its easy method can detect browser based hitbots..
There are much more methods we use, but this one works perfectly well
(if you update thumbs often and their positions are different).

However, browsed based hitbots are expensive to use, thats why they are used
to cheat CJ or a traffic broker in a very rare cases. Cheaters normally use them to
cheat PPS/PPC based services as they provide much higher price per click.

actually they are not. I have heard of traffic brokers actually selling them for $1 per k. I am not going to name names that are suspose to be selling them becuase I cannot verify it yet. And I will never accuse someone blindly. But I can tell you that alot of people that are selling you traffic are using them and either passing it to their trades and sending you the good traffic (but like you said its not cheating you guys this way so its ok) or sending directly to the trade. I have a script that catches them at well.

Originally Posted by Ilona

We are against these practices, but there is very little we can do to prevent it.

Even if we block websites which cheat someone in this way, they will move their traffic
to other brokers. Even if all brokers will block them, they will move their traffic directly
to trojans/viruses, etc. They will find the way to monetize traffic they steal.

You can hire someone who is expert in anti cheat field and problem solved.I see TH going to shitter beacuse there is toomany sellers which resulting by quality seller traffic stay unsold compared to non quality sellers which probaly sell more traffic(they have bigger sold percentage).In shortly it is time for TH to kick bad sellers.

Originally Posted by JACOBKELL

You can hire someone who is expert in anti cheat field and problem solved.I see TH going to shitter beacuse there is toomany sellers which resulting by quality seller traffic stay unsold compared to non quality sellers which probaly sell more traffic(they have bigger sold percentage).In shortly it is time for TH to kick bad sellers.

In fact, the higher selling percentage and higher price get the seller with a biggest volume of direct orders.

So, the better traffic quality is - the more traffic will be sold and the higher traffic price seller will get.

In order to get the highest quality traffic - you should purchase traffic by domain, pick up the best ones.