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prolly never.

designing isnt my thing really but every now and then i try myself to make a design in xhtml and css. So far its a hopeless thing, whatever works in firefox doesnt work in ie8 (the one i use for testing). Firefox seems to be the more complete browser that follows css a bit more to my liking.

What do you guys do to bypass ie problems?

for example im making rounded buttons in firefox thru css, in ie they show as plain squares. bloody nightmare...

back to work again...

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JACOBKELL

Yes i can make any css without problem in firefox but no in IE it's almost impossible.

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MMarko

Our css guy can make css/html backward compatible to IE6, so no issues here

In awstats I noticed IE usage decreased to under 20%, FF, Opera and Chrome make 79%...

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IE 8 42.73% 54,662
IE 7 16.02% 20,496
FireFox 3.5 8.8% 11,256
IE 6 8.21% 10,508
FireFox 3.6 7.28% 9,320
Safari 5 5.76% 7,376
Chrome 5 5.19% 6,639
Opera 1.54% 1,970
Safari 1.22% 1,572
FireFox 3.0 0.83% 1,071
FireFox other 0.72% 923
Playstation 0.65% 842
AOL 0.53% 686
Google Chrome 0.15% 198
Unknown/other 0.09% 122
Chrome 6 0.08% 109
Avant Browser 0.06% 89
SeaMonkey 0.02% 38
Minefield 0.02% 32

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Ugh IE is a nightmare for sure. Every designer's bane.

IE6 is the real monster, that just interprets shit differently for some reason. I always have issues with widths, margins ,etc. anything with sizes assigned. using absolute an drelative positioning will behave strangely as well.

The best route ive found is to do my best fixing everything to work in all browsers, which is a debugging process, and not fun, btu necessary. You load it again and again in different browsers while tweaking code.

If you hit a wall then you can use conditional tags in your header.

This tells the site if the browser is on ie6, load that css file. put it after the main one, and put in modified code for the parts you need tweaked to bitch ie6 into behaving

That tag works for multiple browser types, search it in google.

Other than that, we're all SOL. IE6 though is the most horrid one. 8 and 7 generally behave all right enough.

JACOBKELL

I remember when i had alignment totally screwed in IE just because i had <div align="center"> instead <center>

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JACOBKELL

Yep my stats looks similar.That is why i find hard to believe how some sites have more visitors from ff then ie.Bu it's possible.

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Psytonic

I've only really gotten in tune fully with CSS in the past 2 years. And i've spent a lot of time debugging to get to the level i'm at now which I wouldn't even call super advanced. But yeah i'm always testing in IE and FF. Usually I don't have to use any conditional elements, but when I do I tend to just use the asterisk * hack for IE in my single css file. I usually use that for diff margins/padding in IE since they tend to display a few pixels differently for me from IE and other browers. But yeah man CSS is great with its flexibility it allows compared to tables but I can feel your pain with the issues you're having, and I think majority of webmasters go through the same with css based sites. Just trial and error for me and you become much quicker with experience.

AmateurFlix

I consider IE to be greatly advanced over FF. Many CSS specifications are not very intuitive at all, and FF tends to follow that lack of intuitiveness, while IE usually tends to produce something which at least looks as intended.

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