Thread: Tube Profits

Can someone explain to me why more stupid people are giving away their own contents on their own tube? Really, I don't get it. Some people either buy license to have the right to use full length movie on their tube (which makes me laugh) or give away their full length shit for free hoping a user will join . Still I don't get that argument but it appears more of such sites are popping up, but none that I know of is successful except for the illegal ones.

I just can't think of a goddam reason how someone could give away free legal movies and expect to make a profit? In my opinion, what they are doing is as stupid as those who have illegal site, because they encouraging people to search for free porn instead of paying for it. Then some idoit actually post their unique full length movie of their contents on their tube for free in hoping someone would join . Don't they know this would mean their stuff will be stolen and posted on other tube as well?

I applause people for trying to make profit the legal way, but I think this is just plain stupid.

Originally Posted by Dodge

I could care less, its their biz and money not mine

QFT

LOL, you guys are funny.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

I'll be honest with you guys. Ive been anti tube since day one but the worse and worse our business models get, the better and better the full length tube business models look. I think thats why alot of people are making the jump. A day will come to where you couldnt even afford to make the jump if you wanted too. Or has this day already came for some of you? These sites arent cheap to run from my research, but can be very profitable. How long are we going to wait before we adapt? I dont like it either guys but as a webmaster thats in many different areas of the business, im telling you this is whats going on right now. I can tell you alot of webmasters who were some of the biggest anti tube personalities are firing up tubes of their own. They are saving their own ass before its too late. Why? Its because these sites are making alot of money.

I hate it too guys, but things are changing FAST. :x
Things dont always have to make sense to work, im learning this so far in 2010.

FJ

ps. I dont have a full length tube legal or illegal but since nobody else has, I thought I would break the silence and hopefully see some folks come out of the woodwork on this. I know several of you are thinking it or behind the scenes have some stuff cooking. Content is pretty cheap these days, I see more legal tubes coming in the near future.

giving away free movie samples has been one dumb fucking idea from the first day the first MGP went online years ago. the only things which have changed since that day are that the profit margins have (predictably) dropped considerably and the traffic volume has (predictably) increased considerably. I see no reason why that trend wouldn't continue.

how much money any of them are making is anyone's guess, however regardless of how many sales they generate, they also incur very significant overhead expenses. I have yet to hear of any decent sized tube site changing hands for a reasonable sum of money. TGP's used to get bought and sold all the time, and for decent money. Tubes, you don't hear that about, ever. There must be a reason why that is.

dicking around with ultra thin profit margins that will only get smaller and more difficult to maintain doesn't make much sense to me, considering there are tons of better alternatives.

Well i can honestly say i never even looked at an MGP or saw much value in them. Not to say they had no value or made no one money but from my perspective 10 quality images beats a shitty 30 second clips hands down. With tubes on the other hand i see the value in looking at it from a surfers perspective. I don't however see the value from a marketing perspective other then increased hosting bills and increased revenue for content brokers.

The content producers themselves are not getting much revenue increase to produce more content because they don't have time to sell cheap content packs for Tube owners. Instead they have to cut back on the money they spend by paying models less and building cheaper sets which is will only lead to less talent availability thus driving up prices for lesser quality content.

So it appears I'm not the only one not knowing the answer to my question.

I think like FJ said, it really the "adapt or die" theory that probably got them started and I guess some people just can't or won't go the illegal route so they gave away legal or their own contents. Like I said I applaud them for trying the legal route, but really their response to illegal tube threat by giving away legal stuff is only making matter worst. YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH ANYTHING THAT IS FREE. It only a matter of time before people will give the perception that porn is totally free and you are an idiot if you pay for it.

Think about it for a minute. If giving away your own content is really profitable, why is Brazzer not doing it? Obviously, they have pornhub and they can give away their shit for free OR even make a premium account with all their brazzer movie on it. If you look closely, they NEVER gave away their stuff on tube (full length that is), because once it on tube it'll be free on all tube. The thing is once u put something on tube, it give people the perception that it is free and free to upload to other tube. If having a preminum tube with your contents on them is profit believe me Braz will be the first to do it. Smartly they did not, instead they WL their premium section with someone else content so user can get HD movies AND feel free to download that and have the perception that they can upload it to other tube.

Give me one site where a tube owner give away his shit for free and have a paid/preimum section that prove themselves to be successful? You'll never find one, because once a full length movie get on your tube either in free or premium section it going to be all over other tubes in a matter of months. It just too bad that so many legit webmaster are trying to adapt by doing the WRONG thing. What they are doing is not helping either themselves or any other legit webmaster but actually hurting in the long run and making illegal tube looks more acceptable.

Hey don't knock the guys because they are jumping on the bandwagon without undertsanding that it needs wheels. I've been ridiculed for using single pics to make sales, so it is obviously not a question of making sales these days.

To those who question the value of MGP, I think you aren't looking at it right. I run both TGP and MGP so I know them both well. Very often people compare the two which they shouldn't. They are both equally profitable, but they shouldn't be compared. Very often webmaster who is successful in one, say TGP and failed in MGP or vice versa often time say the other is not profitable or as good. There are some people who run very successful MGP but sucks at TGP.

I think it very easy to theorize why TGP is less likely to be affected by tube (i.e. b/c they are not movie), but it wrong. Tube affect both MGP and TGP equally, but way too often a lot of people think otherwise. If you run both TGP and MGP successfully you notice Tube affect both and not one over the other. When tube came out, a majority, if not all people who run either MGP or TGP saw their profit drop. Maybe one more than the other, but it insignificant for most people.

The biggest problem with tubes is that they force surfers to enable active-x to watch flash movies. Active-x is used to enable the installation of trojans and other devices to steal from affiliate traffic. Giving away free content still gives you a chance to make sales to surfers - allowing your link tracking to be changed takes away the profit from it.

Originally Posted by Head Boy

The biggest problem with tubes is that they force surfers to enable active-x to watch flash movies. Active-x is used to enable the installation of trojans and other devices to steal from affiliate traffic. Giving away free content still gives you a chance to make sales to surfers - allowing your link tracking to be changed takes away the profit from it.

The biggest problem with you is that youre a moron

The problem is that the big dating, penis pills, sex toys and whatever sites are paying flat fees for their banner impressions and they are competing like crazy. They don't pay per sale but just for quantity (for the top spots). They give a shit about full movies on the tubes where they're buying ad spots, they are just after the big numbers. So webmasters are trying to get more and more crap traffic to their sites to inflate their numbers and to increase the prices for their ad spots. At the same time the big guys are competing for their top ad spots and bidding more and more and BAM - suddenly a full movie tube which even buys licensed content CAN be profitable.

One more problem is that many guys notice that it's too late to grow a tube naturally with results like the first ones had and therefore are trying to offer more and more to get more bookies. The problem is that it doesn't work anymore, I made a test myself with watching bookmarker ratios on a tube while I gave them a dozen (licensed) full movies for a few days and then no full movies again. The difference was just marginal, I thought it would make a huge difference! But it didn't, even if the "Today's movies" was showing some medium quality full movies that got very good ratings the bookmarker ratios didn't improve a lot.

But I've seen a paytube that was making 6k$ a month from just 3k google traffic per day. I won't tell you how exactly it worked but it was the most profitable adult site i've seen for a very long time and I'm quite sure that the owner didn't fake the stats. It wasn't a normal porstar movie tube, that's all I can tell you But guys, better invest some more money and make small paytubes with licensed content and don't charge too much, like maybe 99 cents per full movie or 9.95$ a month, don't offer any HD stuff and don't offer downloads and you can still sell other good paysites on that tube.

Only loosers see problems..

Originally Posted by Dutch Pervert

Only loosers see problems..

A good day to make new friends, ey?

Originally Posted by 100boys

A good day to make new friends, ey?

The sun is shining.. but it's ice old outside...

just don't take to personal..

Originally Posted by Dutch Pervert

just don't take to personal..

I won't How could I? I mean if it was true that people with problems would be losers, then the netherlands would be a country full of losers because they even have PROBLEMS to attend any international soccer championship because they have problems to find 11 guys who don't have problems kicking a ball. That can't be true, right?

ROLF @ 100boys . good one

Originally Posted by 100boys

I won't How could I? I mean if it was true that people with problems would be losers, then the netherlands would be a country full of losers because they even have PROBLEMS to attend any international soccer championship because they have problems to find 11 guys who don't have problems kicking a ball. That can't be true, right?

Thats because they are always drinking if you could get 11 guys from NL to sober up for a few days they prolly could kick a mean ball around

Originally Posted by PXN

To those who question the value of MGP, I think you aren't looking at it right...

I was getting at the point that tubes are simply an evolution of the MGP format. People gave away 4 x 10 sec movie clips, then 4 x 30 sec, then maybe 4 x 60 sec, then 3-5 minute streaming clips, then full length movies. Where will it go from here? It seems obvious to me, higher video resolutions, more niched content, whatever else they can do to siphon a few bookmarkers from one tube site to the next. Trying to compete in that format over the long haul is a fool's errand. That said, there is no shortage of fools in this industry.

I'm sure there's tons of money to be made for a while doing something like 100boys wrote about for niches not currently served by general tube sites, but that is not really a tube site so much as it is a paysite with a tube-like CMS, and then you get into issues of copyright, purchasing licensed movies, etc.