Thread: Shap & RedTube, your thoughts?

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Possibly redtube wants to go down this venue, sure they did some bad things to kick off their traffic but now they have the traffic they could be trying to change and be compliant with sponsors.

The traffic is there for the full deal. Drop that and traffic drops. You see how the "bad tubes" have painted themselves into a corner?

Originally Posted by Shap

I understand that. The funny thing through all this is there is not a single link to Twistys on Redtube.

Which doesn't mean to say there are no Twisty's videos on there.

Originally Posted by shunga

The traffic is there for the full deal. Drop that and traffic drops. You see how the "bad tubes" have painted themselves into a corner?

Yes but there will always be someone out there that will accept that traffic. And they will profit from it. We've all seen this happen before its just a new twist, but the cycle continues.

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Yes but there will always be someone out there that will accept that traffic. And they will profit from it. We've all seen this happen before its just a new twist, but the cycle continues.

Without question that's true. You just have to decide whether you wish to accept it or not.

Originally Posted by Shap

To our knowledge there are no Twistys videos there right now either.

Honestly, Shap, are you confident you can trust them to take down any of your content that users upload? Or are you going to still have to police it?

Originally Posted by Shap

I'm not stupid Anybody who has mis-used our content once is most likely going to mis-use it again.

That's the part I just don't get. You know what their business model is, and you know that inherently that means there's always a likelihood that your content will be uploaded. You can't rule out a situation where your two minute clip with your ads is right up there against the same video, but full length. That's the nature of the beast with these particular tube sites.

How are babeblogs content thiefs? They have less content than TGP's.

Originally Posted by Shap

Unfortunately that's the nature of the best with our industry. A lot of the biggest sites around today (both free and pay) started with them not playing by the rules.

For example I don't hear anybody complaining about blacks on blondes. Their entire site was 100% stolen content for the first few years.

Nobody cared that blogs were stealing content and companies were allowing them to do so. People care now because tube sites actually have traffic and are completing changing our industry.

But Shap, these particular tube sites are about traffic, not porn, per se. It's interactive content like dating and cams that are their main income source. Porn is a means to an end. It's free bait to make an unrelated sale. Without having access to their numbers I'd imagine porn sales are the icing on the cake, not the cake itself.

Originally Posted by Shap

For example I don't hear anybody complaining about blacks on blondes. Their entire site was 100% stolen content for the first few years.

doesn't the rest of that story go something like the original owner of the content sued the copyright infringers after he let them steal it for quite a while, but by then those stealing his content had so much $ they managed to literally own his ass and his business

I read this story secondhand quite some time ago, so perhaps I've got it wrong, but my understanding is the pirates literally took full legal possession of the business from its rightful owner.

Now you have just cut a deal with redtube that everyone's griping about. But the bigger issue - for you - is that you've also made it very clear that you are incapable of fighting for your copyrighted material.

Perhaps some other tube site owners won't be as nice to you as redtube was.

Originally Posted by Shap

http://thousandbabes.com/pussy-parfa...-babe-best-ass

Take a look at that. Absolute blatant theft of our content. He has a little email coming his way.

Ah, I usually trade with blogs who only have content pages only, didn't realize it got that bad.

The funny thing is that everyone is bitching about tube sites while their traffic falls and falls... and I see ALOT of webmasters jumping on the tube site bandwagon... even some who bitch about it.

We aren't going to stop tube sites... anymore then we stopped torrent sites, warez sites or newsgroups for that matter.

Where does that leave us? Well... I would say that for awhile the new model will be more updates and more investment in content until a better method is discovered. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that the real victims here will be affiliates because alot more programs are investing in their own traffic generation sites. Shap included.

It might be worthwhile to invest in a better content delivery system, but it would require developing an industry standard.

Originally Posted by Shap

Hi Guys to summarize I'll post the same thing i posted on the MP board.

I've tried fighting content theft for the past 7 years. I'm not good at it. From boards, babeblogs, rapdishare, megaupload and now to tube sites. I've had no success whatsoever. I'm great at making money but horrible and policing the web. Not only have I had no success but I also see company after company making money off my stolen content. Namely AFF. I can't explain how frustrating it is. We've spent million of dollars on content. Spending that type of money on content and seeing it raped to no end drives me insane. With such little success in policing it RedTube came to us with the offer at the right time. They came to us and offered to not allow any stolen Twistys content to be posted and they would limit the clips to Twistys posted to 2minutes max. Now you can sit back and give me shit for agreeing to it but the truth is nobody in this industry has done anything to help us in our fight against content theft and in my opinion if I could scratch RedTube off my list as a site stealing content that was a huge plus.

I must be in the twilightzone.