Shap & RedTube, your thoughts? - Page 2

willwank · February 16th, 2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Quashe

I think any program with an average of 1:1500 is a good one actually

Yes, it's good if you promote boring tours with anon models fed with worn out traffic. Sadly, that is the rule and not the exception, so you'r more or less right.

Ben · February 16th, 2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby

I see the Twistys and ShapCash are sponsors here. Just wondering what y'all think of Shap's recent announcement on GFY about his deal with RedTube, plus the pre-checked cross sales to Brazzers.

I don't much care for either one.

i really dont get it. shap is just telling they guy if he wants to use his contect had to be with the twistys banner... why is so bad?

why people freakout so much with redtube... youtube is even worse and you can see it in other companies commercials, in movies and... and a lot of people here im sure use it.

about cross sales... whats wrong? most big sites does cross sales... like twistys, reality kings, bangbros, brazzers, pimproll... and lot more... whats wrong with that... is the surfer work to read what the are paying for... the is nothing illegal on it

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Originally Posted by JACOBKELL

I think shap will lose a lot's of moonies beacuse he will lose a lot of regular webmasters which can bring much much more money then redtube.I bet redtube only bring loses to advertisers beacuse such traffic is worthless in most cases.As xxxjay said,such traffic convert 0:50000.In shortly,there is no sense to have any connection with redtube.

I think xxxjay has no idea what he is talking about... the first thing i saw after reading his post is that oc cash mainly is built with dvd content... so they are not producers... just the buy dvd licenses.... what is their own % of content production... like 5% of all their content? second think is that their tours sucks, normal that they dont convert... and third is that i just have the feeling that this guy even didnt contacted redtube.. he just posted the threat to get some claps in the back and see if he can get some new affiliates impressed by the post

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Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

I saw shap said the AVERAGE ratio for tubesites are 1:1500-1:3000? Jesus, it's not terrible but average? Why the hell would you want an average ratio of 1:3000 over good blog/tgp traffic at 1:200 or less

most tpg they are far from 1:200... the 1:1500 is not that bad... and the amount of traffic is much bigger... so at the end of the day is more money

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

Why not? I fail to see your point really..
Why can't shap have the blogs sales AND the tube sales? Why would he have to choose either, or? Why should shap care if the tube owners can't convert their traffic. It's basically free money to shap. (aside from the fact that they may or may not be abusing his content).

Viper · February 16th, 2008, 02:47 PM

Shap is no different than anyone else in this business... You'll justify anything in order to make a buck... In fact, it seems to be a requirement if you want to make serious coin...

I've always found his statements about how he treats his members so great "humurous" at best... ok.. members is the key word I guess... Cause he does have skimmed TGPs that redirect surfers (which, while necessary for real traffic, still fucks them over)... in fact, he was one of the guys that coded one of the first CJ scripts out there...

I have yet to find one big program that hasn't been dirty at some point or that I would consider truly ethical. If you want to make a lot of money in this business, you're going to have to lay down with the dogs...

shunga · February 16th, 2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

If EVERYONE (sponsors) would do this, then there wouldn't be any illegal tube sites, as all the content would be sponsor-regulated.

These sites have volume traffic because they have full length videos. No sponsor would, or should, allow that. If the "bad tubes" convert to "good tubes" they say adios to their traffic, at least the bulk of it.

Toby · February 16th, 2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben

i really dont get it...

No, you really don't get it.

If you make deals with scammers and thieves you become a scammer and a thief. It doesn't work the other way 'round, the scammers and thieves don't magically become legit.

As for pre-checked cross sales, they're simple deceptive and rely on the consumer not paying close enough attention. I've dropped sponsors solely because they've added pre-checked cross sales to their signup page.

And for the record, I pulled all my Twistys and ShapCash links two days ago.

Aussie Rebel · February 16th, 2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spence

Wasn't it the 4th quarter or so last year that Shap made a post about prechecked cross sales being bad? I don't remember the exact time he made the post but it was the same time it was discovered that Quickbuck was popping their join pages over CCBill and Epoch join pages in an effort to steal sales. And now having pre-checked sales to Brazzers.

Yes here is the thread here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774192

Ben · February 16th, 2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby

No, you really don't get it.

If you make deals with scammers and thieves you become a scammer and a thief. It doesn't work the other way 'round, the scammers and thieves don't magically become legit.

As for pre-checked cross sales, they're simple deceptive and rely on the consumer not paying close enough attention. I've dropped sponsors solely because they've added pre-checked cross sales to their signup page.

And for the record, I pulled all my Twistys and ShapCash links two days ago.

what i don't get?

if scammers and thieves don't magically become legit... you have to work in convert them... i can give you a huge list of people that used content illegally in the past, but now are "clean" and im sure you doing don't mind to do business with them... because it was 8 years ago and with the time... nothing happens....

do you use google? if im not wrong the own youtube, so if you use google you are supporting them... also they have a lot of sponsors that suport them and im sure you not going to stop using them.... you going to stop watching movies or listening music because univesal suport youtube? or ufc... people wont go to ufc anymore? i really think shap move is in the good way, to fix these sites... but there is a lot more work to do..

Toby · February 16th, 2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben

...if scammers and thieves don't magically become legit... you have to work in convert them...

...do you use google? if im not wrong the own youtube, so if you use google you are supporting them...

...i really think shap move is in the good way, to fix these sites...

Can I borrow your rose colored glasses?

Ben · February 16th, 2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby

Can I borrow your rose colored glasses?

sure

AmateurFlix · February 16th, 2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby

Can I borrow your rose colored glasses?

more like the color of "full of shit"

Ben · February 16th, 2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

more like the color of "full of shit"

how do you know... you have the same ones?

AmateurFlix · February 16th, 2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben

how do you know... you have the same ones?

my nose seldom fails to notify me when I'm close to a latrine

Ben · February 16th, 2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

my nose seldom fails to notify me when I'm close to a latrine

maybe you brain confuse different smells

Crunch · February 16th, 2008, 07:56 PM

What do you have to prove Ben? Every time someone get's called out as a cheater/thief and also admits the facts... you come here defending them.. why?

Ben · February 16th, 2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crunch

What do you have to prove Ben? Every time someone get's called out as a cheater/thief and also admits the facts... you come here defending them.. why?

im not defending, i just said i think he is doing good, i think i can have opinion too, no? or i just have to say what you guys want

Papillon · February 16th, 2008, 09:49 PM

I think it is really shitty move. Talk about lying down with dogs.

Shap · February 17th, 2008, 09:37 AM

Hi Guys to summarize I'll post the same thing i posted on the MP board.

I've tried fighting content theft for the past 7 years. I'm not good at it. From boards, babeblogs, rapdishare, megaupload and now to tube sites. I've had no success whatsoever. I'm great at making money but horrible and policing the web. Not only have I had no success but I also see company after company making money off my stolen content. Namely AFF. I can't explain how frustrating it is. We've spent million of dollars on content. Spending that type of money on content and seeing it raped to no end drives me insane. With such little success in policing it RedTube came to us with the offer at the right time. They came to us and offered to not allow any stolen Twistys content to be posted and they would limit the clips to Twistys posted to 2minutes max. Now you can sit back and give me shit for agreeing to it but the truth is nobody in this industry has done anything to help us in our fight against content theft and in my opinion if I could scratch RedTube off my list as a site stealing content that was a huge plus.

Spudstr · February 17th, 2008, 09:41 AM

In a way he's trying to make a deal with redtube to conform to being a legit tube site. i.e authorized videos only etc.

Possibly redtube wants to go down this venue, sure they did some bad things to kick off their traffic but now they have the traffic they could be trying to change and be compliant with sponsors.

I'm sure other sponsors will have the same mentality, to prevent them from blatantly stealing their content and throwing it up they are working a deal to not steal their content and both sides win.

AmateurFlix · February 17th, 2008, 09:48 AM

Hi Shap,

If you give me money I won't steal from you either.

Where's my check?

zorgman · February 17th, 2008, 09:53 AM

This is seriously a strong message to other webmasters letting them know its ok to start a tube site like Redtube, get the traffic of millions of hits while ignoring the law .... then change it over to a legal tube site.

Im sorry Shap, but your not helping the industry.

I understand that you need to protect yourself, but as you can see, not many people think you have done the right thing here. Maybe you see this too now that people have spoken out.

In the end, no one can change your mind, it's your call.

February 16th, 2008, 02:47 PM	#23 (permalink)
Viper Traveling a circular path Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West Coast, BC, Canada Posts: 1,591	Shap is no different than anyone else in this business... You'll justify anything in order to make a buck... In fact, it seems to be a requirement if you want to make serious coin... I've always found his statements about how he treats his members so great "humurous" at best... ok.. members is the key word I guess... Cause he does have skimmed TGPs that redirect surfers (which, while necessary for real traffic, still fucks them over)... in fact, he was one of the guys that coded one of the first CJ scripts out there... I have yet to find one big program that hasn't been dirty at some point or that I would consider truly ethical. If you want to make a lot of money in this business, you're going to have to lay down with the dogs... __________________

February 16th, 2008, 07:56 PM	#34 (permalink)
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February 16th, 2008, 09:49 PM	#36 (permalink)
Papillon Serious Contributor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 924	I think it is really shitty move. Talk about lying down with dogs. __________________

February 17th, 2008, 09:41 AM	#38 (permalink)
Spudstr Daddy VPS Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,688	In a way he's trying to make a deal with redtube to conform to being a legit tube site. i.e authorized videos only etc. Possibly redtube wants to go down this venue, sure they did some bad things to kick off their traffic but now they have the traffic they could be trying to change and be compliant with sponsors. I'm sure other sponsors will have the same mentality, to prevent them from blatantly stealing their content and throwing it up they are working a deal to not steal their content and both sides win. __________________ Managed Hosting \| Colocation \| Network Services http://www.yellowfiber.net icq: 19876563

February 17th, 2008, 09:48 AM	#39 (permalink)
AmateurFlix Who does #2 work for? Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11,942	Hi Shap, If you give me money I won't steal from you either. Where's my check? __________________ Traffic Trades - TGP & Toplist, Thumb & Text \| Contextually relevant trades wanted - 55 sites \| Porn Reviews \| Deutscher Porno Report >>Draupnir Traffic Trading Script This is the most automated trade solution available.

February 17th, 2008, 09:37 AM	#37 (permalink)
Shap Traffic Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 211	Hi Guys to summarize I'll post the same thing i posted on the MP board. I've tried fighting content theft for the past 7 years. I'm not good at it. From boards, babeblogs, rapdishare, megaupload and now to tube sites. I've had no success whatsoever. I'm great at making money but horrible and policing the web. Not only have I had no success but I also see company after company making money off my stolen content. Namely AFF. I can't explain how frustrating it is. We've spent million of dollars on content. Spending that type of money on content and seeing it raped to no end drives me insane. With such little success in policing it RedTube came to us with the offer at the right time. They came to us and offered to not allow any stolen Twistys content to be posted and they would limit the clips to Twistys posted to 2minutes max. Now you can sit back and give me shit for agreeing to it but the truth is nobody in this industry has done anything to help us in our fight against content theft and in my opinion if I could scratch RedTube off my list as a site stealing content that was a huge plus.

February 17th, 2008, 09:53 AM	#40 (permalink)
zorgman Serious Contributor Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 776	This is seriously a strong message to other webmasters letting them know its ok to start a tube site like Redtube, get the traffic of millions of hits while ignoring the law .... then change it over to a legal tube site. Im sorry Shap, but your not helping the industry. I understand that you need to protect yourself, but as you can see, not many people think you have done the right thing here. Maybe you see this too now that people have spoken out. In the end, no one can change your mind, it's your call. __________________