Shap & RedTube, your thoughts?

Toby · February 16th, 2008, 05:26 AM

I see the Twistys and ShapCash are sponsors here. Just wondering what y'all think of Shap's recent announcement on GFY about his deal with RedTube, plus the pre-checked cross sales to Brazzers.

I don't much care for either one.

zorgman · February 16th, 2008, 05:49 AM

I think they made a deal with the devil.

- Dropped them as soon as I read his post.

Sponsoring content theft is the last thing anyone should do.
Redtube are hurting because they only getting payments from AFF and a few other dating sites. If no one sponsored them they would close down.

willwank · February 16th, 2008, 06:51 AM

Never promoted neither of them and now I'm sure I never will. No good this imho.

AmateurFlix · February 16th, 2008, 07:55 AM

huh?

well somebody's getting dropped from my review site in 3.. 2.. 1.. gone

AmateurFlix · February 16th, 2008, 08:15 AM

I just read that post.

I haven't seen a more convoluted rationalization in quite some time. His argument seems to be that an affiliate may promote a site using stolen content, so long as the page HIS links are on do not contain stolen content.

I especially liked the part where he claimed that file sharing is forcing musicians to make better songs in recent years

willwank · February 16th, 2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

I especially liked the part where he claimed that file sharing is forcing musicians to make better songs in recent years

Says it all I think

JACOBKELL · February 16th, 2008, 09:07 AM

I think shap will lose a lot's of moonies beacuse he will lose a lot of regular webmasters which can bring much much more money then redtube.I bet redtube only bring loses to advertisers beacuse such traffic is worthless in most cases.As xxxjay said,such traffic convert 0:50000.In shortly,there is no sense to have any connection with redtube.

Spence · February 16th, 2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JACOBKELL

I think shap will lose a lot's of moonies beacuse he will lose a lot of regular webmasters which can bring much much more money then redtube.I bet redtube only bring loses to advertisers beacuse such traffic is worthless in most cases.As xxxjay said,such traffic convert 0:50000.In shortly,there is no sense to have any connection with redtube.

Sadly, I think you are mistaken. There are a few webmasters that have a backbone, the rest, well, they just don't.

Look at how many sites still promote AFF, Brazzers, Sexsearch, Quickbuck, Adultadworld and so on. Drinkinghard(GTS) even came out for the defense of Adultadworld last night on gfy.

Wasn't it the 4th quarter or so last year that Shap made a post about prechecked cross sales being bad? I don't remember the exact time he made the post but it was the same time it was discovered that Quickbuck was popping their join pages over CCBill and Epoch join pages in an effort to steal sales. And now having pre-checked sales to Brazzers.

I use to admire that program(twistys) and even recommend it. Now here are even more reasons to never do that again about any program as it appears you just never know..

JACOBKELL · February 16th, 2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Spence

Sadly, I think you are mistaken. There are a few webmasters that have a backbone, the rest, well, they just don't.

Look at how many sites still promote AFF, Brazzers, Sexsearch, Quickbuck, Adultadworld and so on. Drinkinghard(GTS) even came out for the defense of Adultadworld last night on gfy.

Wasn't it the 4th quarter or so last year that Shap made a post about prechecked cross sales being bad? I don't remember the exact time he made the post but it was the same time it was discovered that Quickbuck was popping their join pages over CCBill and Epoch join pages in an effort to steal sales. And now having pre-checked sales to Brazzers.

I use to admire that program(twistys) and even recommend it. Now here are even more reasons to never do that again about any program as it appears you just never know..

I didnt said they will lose entire their webmaster base,i only said they will lose some part of it beacuse of it and that's way they should drop redtube(after all shap said he would donate all money generated by redtube).And yes i am fully aware aff is still number one dating sponsor on tgp sites and others.

arock · February 16th, 2008, 10:51 AM

HAHA thats a joke. I remeber Shap getting his panties all in a bunch for babe blogs having AFF running on the same page as galleries promoting his content (with links to twistys of course).

But now he thinks its ok to deal with redtube? ha

mechanicvirus · February 16th, 2008, 11:10 AM

I saw shap said the AVERAGE ratio for tubesites are 1:1500-1:3000? Jesus, it's not terrible but average? Why the hell would you want an average ratio of 1:3000 over good blog/tgp traffic at 1:200 or less

Quashe · February 16th, 2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

I saw shap said the AVERAGE ratio for tubesites are 1:1500-1:3000? Jesus, it's not terrible but average? Why the hell would you want an average ratio of 1:3000 over good blog/tgp traffic at 1:200 or less

I think any program with an average of 1:1500 is a good one actually. Not much sites will produce a large volume of sales on 1:200 anyways

Jakke PNG · February 16th, 2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

I saw shap said the AVERAGE ratio for tubesites are 1:1500-1:3000? Jesus, it's not terrible but average? Why the hell would you want an average ratio of 1:3000 over good blog/tgp traffic at 1:200 or less

Why not? I fail to see your point really..
Why can't shap have the blogs sales AND the tube sales? Why would he have to choose either, or? Why should shap care if the tube owners can't convert their traffic. It's basically free money to shap. (aside from the fact that they may or may not be abusing his content).

AmateurFlix · February 16th, 2008, 11:53 AM

the ratios are not really relevant; my understanding is that tube sites have terrible CTR's anyway, so even 1:500 might be a lousy ratio if they had to generate 10X as many impressions per banner/link click.

the part about this that really annoys me is that he's not only benefiting from traffic derived from using other people's stolen content (albeit on different pages of the same site) but he seems to be advocating this premise to others as well.

I wonder if he would encourage an affiliate that is using other forms of illegal content elsewhere on their domain, just not on the same page as his links. it's really no different...

Jakke PNG · February 16th, 2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

the part about this that really annoys me is that he's not only benefiting from traffic derived from using other people's stolen content (albeit on different pages of the same site) but he seems to be advocating this premise to others as well.

If EVERYONE (sponsors) would do this, then there wouldn't be any illegal tube sites, as all the content would be sponsor-regulated. (ripped DVD's are becoming irrelevant too since the big companies have online presence already).

Jakke PNG · February 16th, 2008, 12:01 PM

..just to be clear though, I don't use any tube advertising on porngreen. Nor have I any plans to do it. So, that's not the reason I'm "defending" shap.

Quashe · February 16th, 2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

If EVERYONE (sponsors) would do this, then there wouldn't be any illegal tube sites, as all the content would be sponsor-regulated. (ripped DVD's are becoming irrelevant too since the big companies have online presence already).

Maybe in fairy tale land but never in the world we live in right now

Jakke PNG · February 16th, 2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Quashe

Maybe in fairy tale land but never in the world we live in right now

True. I said IF.
Also, IF all free content vanished overnight, we'd start to make mad bling.
Wishful thinking..

Quashe · February 16th, 2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

True. I said IF.
Also, IF all free content vanished overnight, we'd start to make mad bling.
Wishful thinking..

I know but some people tend to believe the theory lol

BTW drop me a line at roald @at freeones .com please, we never got your reviews up as the pass doesn't seem to mwork anymore. Thnx

mechanicvirus · February 16th, 2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

Why not? I fail to see your point really..
Why can't shap have the blogs sales AND the tube sales? Why would he have to choose either, or? Why should shap care if the tube owners can't convert their traffic. It's basically free money to shap. (aside from the fact that they may or may not be abusing his content).

Besides the tubesites giving out too much? Sure then I would take both. I guess im just used to always trying to lower my ratios that I see numbers like 1:3000 and forget some people pull those number but with way more sales.

February 16th, 2008, 05:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,191	Shap & RedTube, your thoughts? I see the Twistys and ShapCash are sponsors here. Just wondering what y'all think of Shap's recent announcement on GFY about his deal with RedTube, plus the pre-checked cross sales to Brazzers. I don't much care for either one. __________________ *My TGPs: Bevy Of Babes \| Babes In Boots \| Well Heeled Women \| Dressing For Sex \| Stocking Vixens*

February 16th, 2008, 05:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
zorgman Serious Contributor Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 785	I think they made a deal with the devil. - Dropped them as soon as I read his post. Sponsoring content theft is the last thing anyone should do. Redtube are hurting because they only getting payments from AFF and a few other dating sites. If no one sponsored them they would close down. __________________

February 16th, 2008, 06:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
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February 16th, 2008, 08:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
AmateurFlix Who does #2 work for? Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 12,747	I just read that post. I haven't seen a more convoluted rationalization in quite some time. His argument seems to be that an affiliate may promote a site using stolen content, so long as the page HIS links are on do not contain stolen content. I especially liked the part where he claimed that file sharing is forcing musicians to make better songs in recent years __________________ Traffic Trades - TGP & Toplist, Thumb & Text \| Porn Reviews \| Deutscher Porno Report >>Draupnir Traffic Trading Script This is the most automated trade solution available. >>RefBlock.com - hide your referring urls. Don't waste your money buying traffic from anywhere except Traffic Out

February 16th, 2008, 09:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
JACOBKELL Jack-of-all-trades Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 3,625	I think shap will lose a lot's of moonies beacuse he will lose a lot of regular webmasters which can bring much much more money then redtube.I bet redtube only bring loses to advertisers beacuse such traffic is worthless in most cases.As xxxjay said,such traffic convert 0:50000.In shortly,there is no sense to have any connection with redtube. __________________

February 16th, 2008, 10:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
arock howdy dowdy! Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,684	HAHA thats a joke. I remeber Shap getting his panties all in a bunch for babe blogs having AFF running on the same page as galleries promoting his content (with links to twistys of course). But now he thinks its ok to deal with redtube? ha __________________ Build hundreds of galleries an hour INCLUDING MOBILE with Arylia Gallery Builder v3 RELEASED! Check out the demo now! \|\| ICQ: 295-369-830 Looking for 100-2k general tube trades, hit me up via icq or PM

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mechanicvirus Traffic Guru Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 446	I saw shap said the AVERAGE ratio for tubesites are 1:1500-1:3000? Jesus, it's not terrible but average? Why the hell would you want an average ratio of 1:3000 over good blog/tgp traffic at 1:200 or less __________________ ICQ: 330533248 freesites: bunnylust.com - cherrynudes.com - nextdoortease.com

February 16th, 2008, 11:53 AM	#14 (permalink)
AmateurFlix Who does #2 work for? Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 12,747	the ratios are not really relevant; my understanding is that tube sites have terrible CTR's anyway, so even 1:500 might be a lousy ratio if they had to generate 10X as many impressions per banner/link click. the part about this that really annoys me is that he's not only benefiting from traffic derived from using other people's stolen content (albeit on different pages of the same site) but he seems to be advocating this premise to others as well. I wonder if he would encourage an affiliate that is using other forms of illegal content elsewhere on their domain, just not on the same page as his links. it's really no different... __________________ Traffic Trades - TGP & Toplist, Thumb & Text \| Porn Reviews \| Deutscher Porno Report >>Draupnir Traffic Trading Script This is the most automated trade solution available. >>RefBlock.com - hide your referring urls. Don't waste your money buying traffic from anywhere except Traffic Out

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