Thread: Estdomains/Esthost/Estboxes/Estwhatever transition period

Originally Posted by rowan

Bumping is better IMHO, sticky threads don't actually stand out in the list

fine, so hear is a bump from me than

So what's the ADX policy on the guy who is selling traffic from est domains registered sites.

Originally Posted by Head Boy

So what's the ADX policy on the guy who is selling traffic from est domains registered sites.

Who is that?

On a second note, how about sites that trade with est* sites? They may be legit themselves, but it would be obvious that they won't be enforcing the ban, thus keeping est* alive. Should we trade with those or not? My opinion is no, but I wanna hear about this from more people.

Originally Posted by DamageX

Who is that?

On a second note, how about sites that trade with est* sites? They may be legit themselves, but it would be obvious that they won't be enforcing the ban, thus keeping est* alive. Should we trade with those or not? My opinion is no, but I wanna hear about this from more people.

http://askdamagex.com/t14876-we-are-...c-auction.html

My last post gives the reg details of the first site I looked at in his domain list.

Originally Posted by Head Boy

http://askdamagex.com/t14876-we-are-...c-auction.html

My last post gives the reg details of the first site I looked at in his domain list.

Thnks, I had missed that. He PM-ed me earlier about buying a button spot on ADX, I have now replied telling him that I will not allow that service to be advertised here.

Here's my bump. However, I am about ready to go ahead and drop my last trade(I believe it's the only one left) with an ESTDomains site right away, as traffic from it has increased and I don't feel comfortable that everything is as it should be with the site.

Bumpity-bump.

What's everyone's opinion on also boycotting traffic brokers catering to people who use Estshit?

Imo. Not an automatic ban but they should be made aware of the issue. I would then consider the trade depending on their response to the whole thing.

Originally Posted by willwank

Imo. Not an automatic ban but they should be made aware of the issue. I would then consider the trade depending on their response to the whole thing.

But given that it's the registrars themselves that are involved with the frauds, and that they undercharge for domain regs, even an honest webmaster can have his traffic screwed by them.

Originally Posted by Dodge

My opinion is that if you are going to get rid of People that use EST etc. You should get rid of brokers to. Its only fair and you cannot get rid of the problem if you continue to support part of it. So if you going to try and force people to quit using EST and the likes, you really need to make a change of attitude with the brokers as well. Make them see whats going on..

Yes, that's my thinking too. I know some brokers which do frown upon domains regged there already, but not sure how the awareness is with all of them.

I went ahead a few weeks ago and I am est-trade-less as it gets. And I refused already trades that I would love to have. I hope people will see and change registrars to get some of the good trades back going.

The brokers are a much more complicated thing.
From what I can see, they have a difficzult time to protect us seller from a few scumguzzling buyers. I would love to see brokers jumping on and ban them estscums altogether.

Bumpage. Keep this on top, people.

We need traffic brokers to check both their buyers and sellers. I see that a new traffic broker has been spamming ADX, and he includes est domain registered sites as his suppliers. I bet he's got them as buyers as well.

Do you really need a few cents so badly that you send your surfers to est group sites to kill your signups

Originally Posted by Head Boy

We need traffic brokers to check both their buyers and sellers. I see that a new traffic broker has been spamming ADX, and he includes est domain registered sites as his suppliers. I bet he's got them as buyers as well.

Do you really need a few cents so badly that you send your surfers to est group sites to kill your signups

That broker is as close to a ban as it can get.

I have deleted prob. 80 percent of my est trades across all my sites. I also dont take anymore est related trades. Im willing to delete the other 20 percent at any time. They just seemed like real trades so I was giving them some more time.

I will shitcan anything and everything that has the word estdomains near it

Everybody else should do the same!

* EDIT * Seriously people... It does make a difference. Ratios have never been better for me. So shitcan them all!

Originally Posted by rowan

I'm getting into the swing of checking WHOIS for new trades now. All signups yesterday and the start of today have been from EST.

Wasn't sure about one this morning, thought it was possible it could be a legit trade... then I looked more closely:

- two trades in toplist have underage content
- "trade" link goes to videoscash.com

Nice.

Originally Posted by DamageX

Who is that?

On a second note, how about sites that trade with est* sites? They may be legit themselves, but it would be obvious that they won't be enforcing the ban, thus keeping est* alive. Should we trade with those or not? My opinion is no, but I wanna hear about this from more people.

I'll continue to trade with anyone who has already established legitimate trades with my network regardless of what hosts they're using, but I'm not going to accept any new webmasters using est* etc. The existing trades using those services have received further scrutiny.

Although I certainly hope they'd consider switching to a different host, I don't think it's fair for me to change the terms in such a drastic manner toward existing trades who have not done anything wrong and are trading fairly.

I've just added this to my rules page:
"If you use the following services, do not sign up here unless I know you: estdomains, esthost, intercage, inhoster, atrivo."