Thread: Anyone running ST + ATX + Wordpress on the same box?

Originally Posted by CraK

DamageX is just getting smacked around everywhere today!

DamageX (4:53 PM) :
Don't get that cheap wine again.
DamageX (4:53 PM) :
Will make your ass hurt. :-D
CraK (4:54 PM) :
Speaking from experience eh? I don't think it was probably the cheap wine that you had.. it was the guy who said he was looking to make "friends" with you.
DamageX (4:55 PM) :
Damn, I left that one wide open. :-D

wide open indeed!

Originally Posted by jayeff

Bullshit. And if you had ever got back to me that time we found out you hadn't set wp-cache up properly, maybe all these months later you wouldn't still be spouting nonsense.

This is supposed to be an informative board and you run it. Maybe that puts you under some kind of obligation to know what you are talking about? More blogs, small, large and on everything from shared hosting to balanced clusters use WordPress than all the other blog scripts put together. It would be a miracle if some of those users didn't run into server issues, just like people do with other scripts or for whatever reason. But to pick up on those exceptions and ignore the thousands of users who have no problem at all, is plain dumb.

Well, since we're pointing fingers, thousands of epassporte users apparently have no problems with it either, yet you chose to complain about them. Should I call bullshit on that one?

Just because most blogs never run past 100/day in traffic doesn't matter WP isn't a resource hog at high traffic levels.

As for getting back to you about it, I did. Never got an answer. In fact, I never got an answer to quite a few of the ICQ's I sent you. I believe we already dicussed that though.

Originally Posted by jayeff

This is supposed to be an informative board and you run it. Maybe that puts you under some kind of obligation to know what you are talking about?

amen!

i do feel a little sorry for the beating DX has taken in this thread BUT he did ask for it!

Originally Posted by lex

amen!

i do feel a little sorry for the beating DX has taken in this thread BUT he did ask for it!

I asked for what? WP IS A PIECE OF SHIT RESOURCE HOG. Oh, you mean it requires tweaking in order for it to work well? Well shit, that means it needs its settings modified in order to perform well? Which means it doesn't in its default form? WHICH MEANS IT'S A PIECE OF SHIT RESOURCE HOG?!?

Originally Posted by DamageX

I asked for what? WP IS A PIECE OF SHIT RESOURCE HOG. Oh, you mean it requires tweaking in order for it to work well? Well shit, that means it needs its settings modified in order to perform well? Which means it doesn't in its default form? WHICH MEANS IT'S A PIECE OF SHIT RESOURCE HOG?!?

or you could just take 2 mins to install wp-cache. perhaps an additional 3 mins to read the docs is fair. but from what has been said here it sounds like the reason your site was under load was BECAUSE you muffed the install of wp-cache, so it dragged your site under instead of speeding it up! neither of which are reasonable things to blame wp or wp-cache for.

Originally Posted by lex

or you could just take 2 mins to install wp-cache. perhaps an additional 3 mins to read the docs is fair. but from what has been said here it sounds like the reason your site was under load was BECAUSE you muffed the install of wp-cache, so it dragged your site under instead of speeding it up! neither of which are reasonable things to blame wp or wp-cache for.

Actually, it was under a huge load BEFORE WP-Cache was even there. We also did a lot to make most of the stuff static, in order to limit the amount of queries it performs. You do know what they say about assuming things, right?

Oh and to get back for a sec to the "so many people run WP without problem", the server admin did some research to see what can be done. Among other things, he checked out wp help forums. Let's just say that I wasn't the only user who had problems with it.

Originally Posted by DamageX

Actually, it was under a huge load BEFORE WP-Cache was even there.

muffing up the wp-cache install help with that any?

Originally Posted by DamageX

Oh and to get back for a sec to the "so many people run WP without problem", the server admin did some research to see what can be done. Among other things, he checked out wp help forums. Let's just say that I wasn't the only user who had problems with it.

that means precisely nothing - what script doesn't have a bunch of noobs asking the same questions for the same noob problems? not to mention the fact wordpress is completely free open source software with few rivals (most of which are paid) and i don't see you attacking comus or ST or the like and then saying they must be stupid scripts because you encountered a bunch of other people out there who have the same problems.

i’m a wordpress noob too but haven’t had problems at all except for one small issue when setting up a muli-user version of it (wpmu) for which i quickly resolved by reading the support forums and finding the info i needed.

personally i’d need to know a lot more about something before i’d start dumping on it and from my limited experience with wp it’s the bees knees!

wordpress does seem to eat RAM like a muthafucka. I had 1 WPBlog on a dedicated box and it was eating nearly 80% of the ram...

Originally Posted by lex

muffing up the wp-cache install help with that any?

You seem to do your utmost to miss the point.

Originally Posted by lex

that means precisely nothing - what script doesn't have a bunch of noobs asking the same questions for the same noob problems?

See above. Most scripts I've seen people having problems with were primarily in regard to actual functionality, not the script bringing a server to its knees. Except for people running Comus with all the bells and whistles, but that's a totally different situation since those are disabled by default and you actually have to make an effort to aid the script into fucking up your server. WP does that fine on its own.

you know when I use a specialized adult-webmaster-only script that is created and maintained by one or two people and has a limited distribution, I'm always impressed when it's refined well enough to install/run with a minimum of fuss

when I see a mainstream script that is used by probably 1 million X as many webmasters and it consistently needs fussing with (or requires special undocumented magical server settings) that tells me there's something inherently wrong with the script, especially when it's been in use for years and should be well past a beta-testing stage where this type of crap is usually sorted out

usually you get what you pay for and it's free so I can't complain too much, but I'm never going to be convinced that it's a well written script

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

usually you get what you pay for and it's free so I can't complain too much, but I'm never going to be convinced that it's a well written script

I don't think anyone here will argue that it is. We're just bickering about it being a resource hog or not. I believe you have some experience of your own with that.

Originally Posted by DamageX

I believe you have some experience of your own with that.

hehe, well I did have one ~15-20k babelog and a network of text blogs until I got tired of the continuous server crashes

I don't even know what to say about this thread except that there are a nuch of idiots trying to run wordpress who don't know shit about anything but running a 1:1000 tgp

like i said 100X ALREADY....I have 300+ blogs on my servers, and at least 20 of them with 10k+ uniques coming to them a day, and NOT ONE SERVER ISSUE...and NO BLOGS HAVE EVER BEEN "TWEAKED" to run better

PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE, just cause you host at a shitty fucking host and they don't know how to set up your server correctly, don't blame it on wordpress

I quote someone earlier...someone that RUNS one of the largest porn hosts in the world

I said "you won't believe all these guys that install wordpress and their server takes a dive"

he said "sounds like they don't have their server configured properly"

tehre is SO MUCH SO MUCH SO MUCH in running a mysql intesive application on your server....and if you have a "webair setup" or a "dwhs setup" you will see terrible loads and resource hogging when you fire up a app like wordpress....of course, if you are just running tgps and free sites, it isn't an issue

damagex, you went out of your way to get me to come here on your board and post....I am willing to help any member of this board with their shit, but you can't sit here and just dismiss something that easily and not give reason or solution as you do it

what did you try? what were the results? what host do you use? how many installs? what else was there? etc......

some of the largest sites in the world run wordpress, but you had issues, so it must be crap huh?

oh yeah, one more thing

someone came to me last week with HUGE wordpress issues

he has 26 FUCKING PLUGINS runnins....OMFG, are you kidding?

who coded the plugins? how much resources are THEY pulling? how is the code on those? did someone that knows what they are doing code the plugins?

SO MANY FUCKING VARIABLES.....and you dismiss it as "wordpress is a resource hog"

BULLSHIT

ok, I am drunk, so sorry if I seem IN YOUR FACE

here is the code the wordpress index page, show me what on here is bloated and hogging resources

Code:

<?php get_header(); ?>

	<div id="content" class="narrowcolumn">

	<?php if (have_posts()) : ?>

		<?php while (have_posts()) : the_post(); ?>

			<div class="post" id="post-<?php the_ID(); ?>">
				<h2><a href="<?php the_permalink() ?>" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link to <?php the_title(); ?>"><?php the_title(); ?></a></h2>
				<small><?php the_time('F jS, Y') ?> <!-- by <?php the_author() ?> --></small>

				<div class="entry">
					<?php the_content('Read the rest of this entry &raquo;'); ?>
				</div>

				<p class="postmetadata">Posted in <?php the_category(', ') ?> | <?php edit_post_link('Edit', '', ' | '); ?>  <?php comments_popup_link('No Comments &#187;', '1 Comment &#187;', '% Comments &#187;'); ?></p>
			</div>

		<?php endwhile; ?>

		<div class="navigation">
			<div class="alignleft"><?php next_posts_link('&laquo; Previous Entries') ?></div>
			<div class="alignright"><?php previous_posts_link('Next Entries &raquo;') ?></div>
		</div>

	<?php else : ?>

		<h2 class="center">Not Found</h2>
		<p class="center">Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here.</p>
		<?php include (TEMPLATEPATH . "/searchform.php"); ?>

	<?php endif; ?>

	</div>

<?php get_sidebar(); ?>

<?php get_footer(); ?>

I assume that since DamageX has spent so much time deciphering this and figuring out WHY it is bloated and hogging resources, he can give us a great run down of each piece of code and which parts are the worst

what a huge debate I started... whoaaa

Originally Posted by HellC

what a huge debate I started... whoaaa

hahahaha

hey man, I set all that up for you, I would love the chance to fix it and make it run smooth, there are a few things I can do on the wordpress side of things before resorting to server side issues

Originally Posted by Jace

hahahaha

hey man, I set all that up for you, I would love the chance to fix it and make it run smooth, there are a few things I can do on the wordpress side of things before resorting to server side issues

Hit me up on ICQ, I'll be there

Originally Posted by Jace

PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE, just cause you host at a shitty fucking host and they don't know how to set up your server correctly, don't blame it on wordpress

Jace have you even looked at the documentation for wordpress regarding this topic?

http://codex.wordpress.org/High_Traf..._For_WordPress

There's not a single specific item listed in their own FAQ. All that is mentioned is very basic and general stuff like "install more RAM" and "get a dedicated server".

Almost every other script I've ever used comes with some sort of configuration tips that will tell you to alter specific setting in httpd.conf or php.ini etc, as well as what those settings should be.

You can hardly blame a host/server/tech etc for not knowing something that is totally undocumented. Given how widely used this software is it's little surprise that some people have figured out what these mystery settings are supposed to be, it is however surprising that none of that information has made its way onto the wordpress FAQ.