The complete ignorance of that statement embodies what I think about your perspective on politics in general. Palin is a dumbshit who has extreme right wing social views and has no place even being considered as a leader of any country... period. You are just a dumb fuck for thinking she is.Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
Stupid motherfucker.
She, at least, has earned my respect.
On the other hand, someone who endorses this point of view:
is incapable of earning my respect, because a person such as that has no respect for anyone, nor, apparently, our Bill of Rights."It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
I could never in a million years imagine a person like Palin stooping to such a disgraceful level of dismissive condescension; doing so would be an act of intellectual weakness or intellectual cowardice.
"You betcha Sarah Palin is still a viable presidential candidate! Even though the governor of Alaska dropped the bombshell last week that she was leaving her post, a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds that her support among Republicans is still strong. In fact, her resignation seems to have even slightly boosted her among GOP constituents.
According to the nationwide poll, close to 67% of Republicans want Palin to be "a major national political figure" in the future. And 71% of them say they would likely vote for her if she ran for president in 2012.
Top Republican consultant Mary Matalin called Palin's move "brilliant," and conservative talk-show host Bill Bennett went on CNN to discuss the surprisingly high number of viewers who called into his show in support of Palin's decision."
???????????WTF??????????? And I was just kidding!
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I'm sure Republicans could come up with someone as loveable and down to Earth as Palin but who also has some basic understanding of how the american political system works and who can put two intelligible sentences together.
The sooner they distance themselves from that moron the better IMO. They should try to raise the political debate, not lower it.
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I apologize for this comment... it was completely out of line... I am actually very sorry I said this.You are just a dumb fuck for thinking she is.
Stupid motherfucker.
Apology accepted. No worriesI apologize for this comment... it was completely out of line... I am actually very sorry I said this.
FORGETTING SARAH PALIN
July 8, 2009
Sarah Palin has deeply disappointed her enemies. People who hate her guts feel she's really let them down by resigning.
She's like the ex-girlfriend they're SO over, never want to see again, have already forgotten about -- really, it's O-ver -- but they just can't stop talking about her.
Liberal: Ha, ha ... Sarah who? She's over, she's toast, a future Trivial Pursuit answer, nothing more.
Normal person: Whatever. How about the North Korean missiles?
Liberal: Can you believe she just resigned the governorship like that? What a quitter!
Normal person: Speaking of quitting, how's work?
Liberal: Did you hear she might get a TV show? There's no way Sarah Palin's getting a TV show! No way! I can't believe stupid Sarah Palin could get her own stupid TV show now. Well, I'm sure not gonna watch it -- that's for sure!
Normal person: Have you seen all the Michael Jackson coverage on TV?
Liberal: How does she think she can run for president in 2012 if she can't finish her term as governor of a Podunk state? She's finished.
Normal person: OK, then! You won't have to vote for her.
Liberal: I was never going to vote for her! But now I'm not going to vote for her twice. And I will never watch her TV show. I am so over her.
Reporters had already written their stories on Palin's press conference -- "rambling!" "incoherent!" -- before she even stepped to the podium.
Whatever you think of Palin, her argument for resigning was the opposite of "rambling" and "incoherent."
Palin's basketball analogy couldn't have been clearer, even to prissy liberal pundits who get uncomfortable when the subject turns to sports: She decided to destroy the other team's game plan, which has been to obsessively focus on her, by resigning.
This is particularly apt here -- she's passing the ball to a fantastic right-wing lieutenant governor, who shares her principles but doesn't set off the left's neuroses.
This is better for him, better for the state, better for the conservative program and better for Palin personally, whose family is sick of all the crap. Now she can make a lot of money and promote conservatism on a national stage.
It certainly won't be held against Palin by people who don't already loathe her. (On the other hand, her approval ratings among people who think she's worse than Hitler are down to 48 percent.)
With the left frenetically filing ethics complaint after ethics complaint against Palin, costing her state millions of dollars and her personally half a million dollars, citizens of Alaska must be asking, "Can we please have our state back?"
But to read the news reports -- which actually were rambling and incoherent -- you would think Palin was speaking in tongues.
The truth is liberals are furious they won't have Sarah Palin to kick around anymore -- at least not with Palin's hands tied behind her back by her public office.
Something tells me Keith Olbermann isn't going to be pulling any big numbers this summer attacking Eric Cantor and Michele Bachmann. I don't anticipate any sudden outbreaks of "Mitch McConnell Derangement Syndrome."
Soon we'll only hear about Keith when his creepy e-mails using his mother's death to hit on chicks start making the rounds again. (Tip to Keith: When a girl refuses to give you her phone number, her assistant's phone number or her personal e-mail address, and only gives you her assistant's e-mail address, you're not halfway in the sack.)
Bonus: If Olbermann gets canceled as a result of Palin's resignation, that will put her in a really good position for 2012.
But instead of being honest and saying, "Oh well, it was a good ride while it lasted," liberal chatterers indignantly demand: "Is this not the greatest betrayal a public servant ever committed against the people?"
On one hand, liberals are enraged at the heinousness of Mark Sanford -- whom they didn't vote for -- for not resigning and, on the other, they're enraged at Palin -- whom they also didn't vote for -- for resigning.
The peculiarly venomous hatred of Palin is driven by women of the left and their whipped consorts. All that needs to happen is for a feminist to overhear two Nation readers saying, "I hate to admit it, but Palin is kind of hot" and ...
WHAT??????????? YOU CALL THAT HOT? I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT A MEGA-SUPER HOTTIE IN DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. AND NEED I REMIND YOU AGAIN OF THE RAW SEX APPEAL OF RACHEL MADDOW?
Democrats are a party of women, and nothing drives them off their gourds like a beautiful Christian conservative. (How much money has that other beautiful born-again, Carrie Prejean, been forced to spend on lawyers to respond to liberal hysteria?)
So the motives are clear, but the money is not. Who is paying the rent for the losers filing all these frivolous complaints against Palin?
At least when Richard Mellon Scaife was funding investigations of Bill Clinton, we knew who Scaife was, he was an American citizen, and his money was accessible to U.S. tax authorities and not stashed in offshore accounts like a certain Hungarian Nazi-collaborator I can name.
How about some modern-day Scaife investigate the investigators?
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Intelligent people ARE afraid of Sarah Palin. She is basically George Bush with a vagina, which means she is capable of rallying the ignorant, and there are many in this country.
That does not work in current US politics. What does work is using "political correctness" as a weapon against sensible debate.
During the last presidential election, nearly any criticism of Obama was parried with accusations of racism or xenophobia, coming even from Obama himself. He even leveled some pre-emptive accusations of the same, i.e. "What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. ... "he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bill"
The same thing is occurring now with Sotomayor. Numerous people have been quoted saying what a brilliant strategy it was to pick a hispanic woman because any criticisms levelled toward her by old white Senators would appear racially charged and look like they were bullying her if they merely asked pertinent questions. People are actually saying this openly, not even attempting to conceal the subterfuge.
American political debate is increasingly being held hostage by political correctness, though they have only themselves to blame for playing along with it. Typically the people who won't play along with that, are people like Palin who speak more directly toward issues. That appeals to those who haven't surrendered their minds to the hyper-sensitive PC crowd. It's probably the single most important issue this nation faces atm, IMHO, else we will end up with years or decades more of an intellectually drained system held hostage by the politically correct.
That card is played on both sides. I agree that using political correctness as a weapon sucks, but so do back alley campaigns to label someone as a terrorist/communist/monkey/non US citizen. The attacks used by the right in the last campaign were lower than low. They were downright disgusting and low class.
The PC card is played up by Dems much more frequently than it ever has been by Republicans. It is considered a tool of liberalism.
terrorist - don't want to be associated with them, then don't hang out with people like Ayers for christ sake. I wouldn't want the fucker to be seen near me and I am not a career politician.
communist - don't want to be associated with them, then don't actively seek the company of Marxist professors. I sincerely believe that Obama is a communist sympathizer; his actions while in office have done nothing to dissuade me of this notion. He was lectured by the former head of the KGB against turning to socialism, lol.
monkey - I had not heard that accusation.
non US citizen - he is a Kenyan citizen and has refused to display his original birth certificate; this makes me wonder why he refuses to clear up the matter. what does he have to hide?
btw, some on the left claimed that McCain was not eligible for the presidency since he was born on a US military base outside the mainland US. That "downright disgusting and low class" attack, as you put it, was entirely mutual.
That's definitely a "fair and balanced" opinion you have there. I don't think I could have listed those talking points better myself. I am very fiscally conservative and a strong believer in limiting big government, not to mention an Iraq war veteran, so don't feed me your anti liberal bullshit.
I'm also capable of seeing through the propaganda and realizing that BOTH the liberal and conservative media in this country are nothing but tabloids. The fact of the matter is that the modern "Republicans" have taken everything good about the party and run it straight it into the ground. It's bad enough that the church has it completely by the balls and controls it's entire agenda when it comes to social issues, but then they completely lost site of all fiscal restraint. They are so biased in their views and follow the right wing media like sheep that they fail to even acknowledge this. The party has lost all credibility outside of hardcore "conservatives" and the only thing they have left is scare tactics and the promise of lowering taxes.
When they get back to being Republicans you let me know.
Last edited by blackamooka; July 11th, 2009 at 03:32 PM.
They are not "talking points", with the exception of my opinion regarding communism, these are confirmed facts.
Do you dispute that Obama has an association with the terrorist Ayers?
Do you dispute that Obama sought out Marxist professors while he was in college?
Do you dispute that Obama has never revealed his birth certificate?
I am also becoming increasingly interested in the basis for your claim that "the right" was claiming that he was a monkey. It sounds like a race-bating comment to me. I'm sure that someone somewhere likely said something to that effect, however to imply that it was a widespread effort on the part of "the right" seems baseless.
LOL, what "bull shit" are you referring to? I am simply dealing in (easily confirmed) facts.
Oh please. How many times did Obama use the word "crisis" when he was trying to get his huge spending bill passed? How many times does he accuse those who oppose his changes of being "afraid" of the future? Al Gore has been making a living for nearly the past decade trying to scare the world about his global warming armageddon.
The Dems employ scare tactics as much as any other political party does. That's half of what politics is. Sometimes there is a reason to be afraid; most of what was cautioned against regarding Obama has played out as was warned.
If you mistakenly believe that I'm Republican, let me correct you. I am an independent voter and have never been registered with any political party. The Republicans have been a sorry disappointment in recent years. I'd prefer to vote for a Libertarian. However I cannot bring myself to support the Democratic party, and the only viable alternative is typically a Republican.
edit: btw, I share your concern that they've "completely lost site of all fiscal restraint". But look what happened when the alternative was given a chance.
Last edited by AmateurFlix; July 11th, 2009 at 03:57 PM.
Yes...
Yes... this is a mis-characterization of what actually took place.
Yes...
Do you dispute that you are still stuck on the same stupid fucking shit that we have debated for over a year on this board?
A sheep can call himself a wolf all he wants... but if he has all of the characteristics of a sheep he is a sheep nonetheless. *bleet* *bleet*
Last edited by nation-x; July 11th, 2009 at 05:05 PM.
I am fairly confident that you believe both of Obama's stories regarding Ayers. Firstly that he was just some guy down the street he didn't know, and secondly that he merely had him in his house and didn't have an association with him.
LOL, a mis-characterization? Did the Eloquent Mr. Obama not describe his own activities correctly in his autobiography?
There is no debate that Obama has not shown his original birth certificate. At least, I'm not debating that point with anyone.
Is this the new Democrat mantra? You're either with us or against us? Either a Democrat or the enemy?
And btw... I think you've got your metaphor backwards. Wolves wouldn't go around the world apologizing for being wolves
I also believe the many other people that say the same thing... including Ayers himself. We already argued about this and I already proved you wrong... but that is typical for you... you never accept that you were proven wrong... ever.
He didn't "actively seek" anyone... he befriended one professor in particular that was a marxist. I have friends that are christians... that doesn't make me one.
Um... yes he has... you are just stuck on stupid over the "long form" which has been verified to exist by state officials.
No... it's the pure fact that you support every single principle of the Republican Platform and beyond... to the point of repeating every stupid talking point that they bring up whether it's false or not. At least I am willing to objectively critique anyone's positions... left, right or center... whether or not they match my principles or not isn't the basis for fact.
No... you are definitely a sheep. Otherwise you wouldn't claim stupidity as fact... you demonstrate your sheephood by continually repeating innuendo and falsehood rather than debating positions on merit and fact.And btw... I think you've got your metaphor backwards. Wolves wouldn't go around the world apologizing for being wolves
Actually, that's exactly what they are. They are all nothing but circumstantial "evidence" taken out of context and used as a means of attack without having any legitimate supporting evidence.
No one ever disputed this. It proves nothing other than he came across some weirdos during his time in academic circles. Spend enough time working in universities and you'll come across people like Ayers, I went to CU in Boulder. I've been around some of these people myself. Does that make me a terrorist?
They used this to try and paint Obama as a terrorist and it blew up in their face when McCain himself had to reign in his own supporters who had taken it too far.
Only an ignorant person would assume that being informed about something means you believe in it. I've read the bible from front to cover (unlike most people who actually believe in it) and I'm not a believer. I also speak a fair amount of Russian, have spent time in Russia and have read several texts on Communism. I guess that makes me a Communist as well, right?
That's not even a conservative talking point. That is a crackpot conspiracy theory. Do you think his US CITIZEN MOTHER flew out to Kenya to give birth to him and then flew straight back to the US?
There were countless underground campaigns that were attacking Obama on the basis of race. I never said it was "widespread" on the part of the right, but it was certainly a tactic used by more than a small little group.
I would explain that to you, but you're obviously so blinded by the spin machines you bought into that it would be pointless anyways.
I don't disagree with that. But that is not not even in the same realm as trying to rally a group of people behind the idea that the opposition may actually be a secret Muslim, a terrorist or a Communist. Using fear to push an ideological difference forward is one thing, but using people's prejudices to settle an ideological dispute is not only low class, but shows how weak their platform was if they felt they had to resort to that.
If you were truly an Independant, you would vote for who you thought was the best candidate. You can call yourself an Independant all you want, but if "the only viable alternative" is to follow the herd, how are you acting independently?
If it walks like a duck...
I won't argue with that. It's definitely one issue where I do not agree with this administration AT ALL. However, there are areas where I fully support what Obama is doing. I look at things on a case by case basis. McCain probably would have gotten my vote had he not supplicated the right in order to "rally the base". The base can all fuck themselves in my opinion. I wouldn't vote Sarah Palin into the PTA, let alone the White House. That cunt is nothing more than a puppet for the church and has NO place in politics, whatsoever.
Last edited by blackamooka; July 11th, 2009 at 05:55 PM.
You rarely ever "prove" anything, but you frequently claim that you do
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors"
So you are contending that Obama lied in using the plural form of "professor"?
Let me be more clear. It has never been revealed to the public.
Bull shit.
I am pro-choice. I also believe that Roe v. Wade was flawed and this is a matter best left up to the individual states, because I don't believe in allowing the federal gov't to meddle in people's private affairs.
I don't believe in catering to the religious right.
You're confusing my nearly universal objection to many of the current Democratic "hot-button" issues with allegiance to the Republican party. It's more of a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of thing.
And you demonstrate your sheephood continuously by repeating Democrat talking points and a nearly unwavering, unquestioning allegiance to any idea endorsed by Obama, with very few exceptions.
I debate positions based upon merit and fact. You, however, for some reason choose to believe that you are the sole judge of what is merit or fact, but you are incorrect.
I also sometimes address topics of innuendo because they are often topics of legitimate concern, particularly when dealing with a person of whom little is known, and what is known is not good. The fact of the matter is, any person with a background as shady as Barack Obama would never be admitted into the Secret Service to guard Barack Obama.
Well, I guess the beautiful thing is that you can call them talking points, I can call them fact, and we're both correct.
What they did was point out that he chose to associate with terrorists. People are judged by the company they keep.
I don't believe that anyone was arguing the point that "being informed about something means you believe in it". I read the Communist Manifesto while in college.
I did not, however, try to go find some commie pinkos to hang out with. See the difference? If one is actively seeking companionship with people of a specific political persuasion, it's likely because they have something in common politically.
Newsflash - he has referred to his "Muslim background" - only after winning the election, of course.
That is the attitude which helped Ralph Nader put G.W. Bush in office. IMO it's better to vote for who is the best viable candidate, as opposed to throwing your vote away and in doing so helping the guy you most want to not be in office.
I've frequently touted my support of some Libertarian principles; if it comes down to a Libertarian who won't win, and a Dem or Rep who might win, what good does it do to take votes away from the candidate with the greatest chance of winning who is most closely inline with my own views?
That's what they did originally. When they realized that people didn't care, they went well beyond pointing it out and made it a 24/7 propaganda campaign hoping that if they said it enough times that the weak minded would believe what they wanted them to believe. It worked pretty well, actually.
Once again you're making assumptions. You know what they say about assuming things don't you?
His Muslim background was well known throughout the campaign. His father was a Muslim and he never hid it. He is not a Muslim and has never been one. Once again, the loons in this country tried to make something out of nothing using this and failed.
It's funny. People use this argument all the time, but the irony is that if people weren't such sheep and made excuses on why they should follow the herd then maybe thrid party candidates would actually be viable. Congratulations on perpetuating the failed two party system because of your cowardice to break from the herd.
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