Cheater company:moneycult.com

**shunz** · January 25th, 2012, 01:31 PM

Moneycult.com (showybeauty.com; amourangels.com) won't pay for any sales!
We made the limit and asked this company why didn't send our eranings.
We got this:
FAQ: "Are there any limitations for accounts with low activity? If your account shows low activity (3 or less transactions per month), and you have one or more members who have been rebilling for more than 5 months, then as soon as the minimal amount ($130) on your account is reached, the payments will be suspended until the expiry of 6 months from the end of the members' subscription. In order to resume the payments, it is necessary that you have 4 or more transactions per month on your account during the period of at least 3 months."

**GMarsh** · January 26th, 2012, 12:43 AM

Man that's a real bummer. They're covering their ass in case the member isn't a loyal customer, but absent minded and forgot to cancel the membership, then decides to charge back those rebills. Cant blame you for being upset, the sponsor should have put that info on their terms and conditions page rather than the faq.

**shunz** · January 26th, 2012, 02:47 AM

I'm really upset! Why didn't alerted me when my account inactivated? Why did send FHG-s again and again if my account is inactive? If my account inactivated how could I made sales after?

**allniche** · January 27th, 2012, 01:56 PM

According to Way Back Archive that part of the FAQ was not there back in late 2010

MoneyCult.com - Affiliate Program For Adult Webmasters!

I am with you it is not honest and sucks. This is just a way to avoid having to pay. Maybe you want to send to more third party programs instead or not do revshare? It's hard to trust revshare on nats when people are doing this.

**plasticmen** · February 6th, 2012, 10:14 AM

It is strange to hear from a person with just 2 posts on the forum about the cheating of our company MoneyCult, which has been working since year 2006 without giving rise to any complaints.

The mere fact of our placing the information stated above in our FAQ, suggests our sincerity. And users have a right to choose whether to accept these terms of work with us or not.

This rule is mainly applied to those affiliates who have not had new signups for more than a year, but who still have referral members that keep rebilling. In our statistical records we can see that these members are inactive, and have not visited the members' areas of our sites for many months.
So most probably these members may claim refunds and chargebacks. Their money belongs neither to us, nor to our affiliates, so the members have a right to reclaim it. In such a case the responsibility is distributed half-and-half, while fines for chargebacks are totally upon us.

In such circumstances we by no means block or suspend accounts of our affiliates. The case is about a temporary suspension of payments until a certain period of time since the member's cancellation. If the affiliate resumes his work and new signups appear, the payments are resumed.

We make concessions to our affiliates, and there are quite a lot of those who may prove that we have made a payment for them at their request.

Taking into account all the above mentioned, we ask the administrators to delete this topic from the current forum thread, and the topic started - not to charge us with groundless accusations!

p.s. we have nothing in common with nats.

**shunz** · February 7th, 2012, 08:13 AM

Mr. 10posts!!
If I reach the limit in your system you should pay me and don't look for objections!
Rewrite your FAQ: We won't pay any sales, we want to free traffic!

**plasticmen** · February 8th, 2012, 04:17 AM

It is upon you to decide whether to work with us or not.
Our rules are like that and will change only at our own discretion.

Here are the real figures:

14:00:03 10.10.2010 29.99 14.99 0.00 Rebill
12:43:29 09.11.2010 29.99 14.99 0.00 Rebill
12:57:40 09.12.2010 29.99 14.99 0.00 Rebill
13:00:04 08.01.2011 29.99 14.99 0.00 Rebill
12:35:30 07.02.2011 29.99 14.99 0.00 Rebill
13:00:03 09.03.2011 29.99 14.99 0.00 Rebill

total 89.94
============

14:00:03 10.10.2010 -29.99 -14.99 -45 Chargeback
12:43:29 09.11.2010 -29.99 -14.99 -45 Chargeback
12:57:40 09.12.2010 -29.99 -14.99 -45 Chargeback
13:00:04 08.01.2011 -29.99 -14.99 0.00 Refund
12:35:30 07.02.2011 -29.99 -14.99 0.00 Refund
13:00:03 09.03.2011 -29.99 -14.99 0.00 Refund

total -135
============

That was an example of what can happen if active member keeps
rebilling while not visiting the members' area, and if there are 2 of
such members, the total loss will amount -270$.

That is why our company took a decision to place such members on hold,
so that when their membership on the paysite ends, on the expiry of a
certain period of time when chargeback is still possible, the members'
money get automatically unblocked, and an affiliate receives his
payment.

Also take into account, that we are now discussing the case when an
affiliate has only 1-3 active members, who do not visit the members'
area. This rule is related only to such affiliates.

**shunz** · February 8th, 2012, 05:28 AM

I see this in your system: Sales Amt TOTAL :$184.89
I think you don't want to pay and look for objections!

**allniche** · February 8th, 2012, 02:02 PM

I've never heard of such a bizarre system where if the member does not visit the members area continually the affiliate does not get credit for rebills as normal. Further you're basically just specifying a minimum amount for new sales per month and telling affiliates if they do not reach it they will not get full credit for rebills. It really has little to do with whether the member visits the member's area again. Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me. If you don't want to offer rev share then don't. Same if you don't want to take the risk of recurring memberships.

**allniche** · February 8th, 2012, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by plasticmen

It is upon you to decide whether to work with us or not.
Our rules are like that and will change only at our own discretion.

Which correct me if wrong this essentially means "We'll do whatever we want, when we want". Those rules probably weren't there when most signed up because archive.org shows it wasn't there for part of 2010 at least. When did you change them? You should put in big bold letters on your program "WE WILL NOT PAY YOU IF YOU MAKE LESS THAN FOUR SIGN-UPS A MONTH WITH US" and send the same out to all your affiliates in an email.

**OneWhoKnows** · May 14th, 2012, 01:22 AM

Ok, first of all, it sucks that they add this to their FAQ without informing their affiliates. They have the same thing in the FAQ of their other program, Fucking-Cash.com which I do promote. I never received an e-mail about these changes.

However, I don't get what's such a big deal about it. What they do is just putting the questionable transactions that most likely will be charged back on hold for exactly the time period where a CB is still possible. And that only for affiliate accounts that have not enough funds to deduct the CB sum from, which is understandable. Because if you have an almost inactive affiliate and deduct this amount from his account after all the chargebacks came in, his account will probably have a negative balance. How high is the chance that this affiliate, who has been inactive before already, will make up for this with new sales again instead of just leaving the account abandoned? In this case the program owner has to pay the debt.

The only thing was wondering... How often does this happen? Sounds highly improbable. I wouldn't add this to my FAQ as a program owner, but deal with it individually if it ever happens.

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